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To: Steven
Thanks for the bump Steven, I certainly want to finish anything I may have started. Lest I ever be questioned about my beliefs I want to assure all that I always base my belief on scripture unless I state otherwise.

My belief that there are two "Gods" is based in part on the following verses and my resolution of the error of both trinity and oneness doctrine, as well as the question of what exactly the word "God" means in scripture, too lengthy for my present purpose.

The Father, being infinite, created his only begotten son Jesus Christ, being finite, as in having a beginning. In many cases in the old testament Jesus Christ is actually doing the work as a "God" and is referred to in scripture as God, yet is the Christ to come into the world He (Christ) created.

Take care all and pray that the Father smiles on those who find His words important enough to seek the truth therein.

Psalm 110

1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Philippians 2

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

53 posted on 10/10/2001 2:35:15 PM PDT by vmatt
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To: vmatt
The Father, being infinite, created his only begotten son Jesus Christ, being finite, as in having a beginning.

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

Here is the verse that you read as if it said "the Word was a god," and not "the Word was God." The meaning is different, and no amount of wishing there were an indefinite article there will make it so.

Also I do not see how the Word being with God "in the beginning," that is from eternity, makes the Word have its own "beginning" as you say. What you believe is contradicted by the plain (to me) reading of the Scripture you yourself quote in your defense.

SD

56 posted on 10/10/2001 2:43:11 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: vmatt
Re your #53 on this Thread

I hope I misunderstood your point about "two gods."

In the event I did not, consider the following statements attributed to Jesus:

"I and my Father are one." (Jn 10:30)

"...He that hath seen me hath seen the Father..."(Jn 14:9)

"...I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you." (Jn 14:20)

94 posted on 10/10/2001 8:19:04 PM PDT by First Conservative
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