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To: vmatt
Re your #53 on this Thread

I hope I misunderstood your point about "two gods."

In the event I did not, consider the following statements attributed to Jesus:

"I and my Father are one." (Jn 10:30)

"...He that hath seen me hath seen the Father..."(Jn 14:9)

"...I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you." (Jn 14:20)

94 posted on 10/10/2001 8:19:04 PM PDT by First Conservative
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To: First Conservative
Re your #53 on this Thread

I hope I misunderstood your point about "two gods."

Your hope is misplaced.

In the event I did not, consider the following statements attributed to Jesus:

"I and my Father are one." (Jn 10:30)

"...He that hath seen me hath seen the Father..."(Jn 14:9)

"...I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you." (Jn 14:20)

John 17

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

These verses show that the Father and the only begotten Son, Jesus, are one in unity, purpose and spirit. In this sense Jesus prays to His Father to make the disiples one as they are one. As the new Jerusalem in Revelations shows, the apostles are not one but twelve distinct parts of the whole, being a city. Do you suggest that God, Jesus and the disiples are one in the same sense? Why and how is it different?

Revelation 14

21 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

155 posted on 10/11/2001 9:34:50 AM PDT by vmatt
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