Thatcher rounds on British Muslims

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[jerod]

Is old Margart Thatcher loosing it?

[A Ruckus of Dogs]

Moslems also need to condemn the Moslem killing of Christians in Africa and Indonesia.

[GuillermoX]

No, she's not "loosing" it. She's right on. The Mohammedans, instead of condemning the attacks, are whining about non-existent 'hate crimes".

The ones who are losing it are those who think the most important thing to do is to make sure that not one Mohammedan anywhere on earth is offended by the USA.

[tonycavanagh]

This issue has got very confused.

The problem is that the moderates reacted in a moderate way, while the extremist reacted in an extremist way.

The Muslim leaders followed a very old fashion British way of doing things which was writing a letter condemning the terrorist outrage and offering condolences sighing it and posting the letter to the Times, the Telegraph the Guardian, the Daily mail and all the other quality and Broad sheet Papers.

The extremists do what they always do go out on the street screaming shouting, mouthing useless slogans and burning flags.

Guess who gets the most publicity.

It is a well established fact and in my own opinion a sad reflection on are media that demonstrations involving nutters is more newsworthy than a respectable march and offers of sympathy.

Tony

[Mr. Bird]

"People need to know that out of over 6000 people who died in this terrible incident, over 1500 of them were Muslims."

My A**.

[tonycavanagh]

re : No, she's not "loosing" it. She's right on. The Mohammedans, instead of condemning the attacks, are whining about non-existent 'hate crimes".

But there was condemnation of the attack by British Muslims, they wrote letters and took out full-page adverts in the quality press, it is what passes for demonstrations by the more conservative of the British population.

Tony

[tonycavanagh]

Can you prove they were not, a number of the British who were killed were Muslims, mainly educated Asians who were posted over there from the city.

Tony

[sheik yerbouty]

No. She is, as they say in the U.K, "spot on"!

[KC Burke]

Actually, as opposed to "losing it", she is making a very insightful point. Have you seen detailed statements by Islamic leaders in the US detailing how bin Laden is outside the pale of Islamic thought? I haven't. Have you seen detailed Islamic theological arguements seperating bin Laden's Fatwah from right thinking Islam? I haven't.

I have only seen expressions of sadness for the loss, very general statements that Islam is a loving religion, and a failure to make a detailed theological response putting the Jihad, as practiced by these terrorists, completely outside Islamic thought. Go Maggie!

[pgkdan]

Is old Margart Thatcher loosing it?

No she's not...she's exactly right. Are you losing it? Or more to the point...did you ever have it?

[Bill Rice]

"We have said it once, why do we need to keep on saying it?"

So the free world knows FOR SURE where you stand.
And so you won't wake up dead one of these days ...

[Mr. Bird]

I can't prove it RIGHT NOW, but I would gladly wager that 25% of the victims (and I will exclude the perpetrators, thank you) of the WTC and Pentagon attacks were NOT Muslim.

The largest, most comprehensive survey on religious identification was done in 1990: the National Survey of Religious Identification (NSRI) calculated that 0.5% of the U.S. population was Islamic.

Are you trying to convince me the demographics of the WTC were that far off the national stats?

[Anamensis]

Have you seen detailed statements by Islamic leaders in the US detailing how bin Laden is outside the pale of Islamic thought? I haven't. Have you seen detailed Islamic theological arguements seperating bin Laden's Fatwah from right thinking Islam? I haven't. I have only seen expressions of sadness for the loss, very general statements that Islam is a loving religion, and a failure to make a detailed theological response putting the Jihad, as practiced by these terrorists, completely outside Islamic thought.

I haven't seen it either. And I've noticed that, while it's okay to subject American culture and foreign policy to all kinds of criticism and scrutiny, it is absolutely forbidden to make any call for a similar treatment of Islam. And where I work, I notice that those screaming the loudest that YOU CAN'T SAY "Islam is violent" have never read the Koran. A good, careful reading of the first 9 chapters would put a new flavor in their mouths, if they just had the guts to actually read it.

[Major Matt Mason]

Nothing wrong with Maggie. The proof is in the article. The gentleman claiming he is hurt by Thatcher's words never once says that 9/11 is not the way of Islam- at least, these words are not to be found in this article.

I still go back to the press conference that was televised on C-Cpan2 shortly after the attacks. The event featured representatives from Arab-American organzations, with the venue being the National Press Club.

All of the speakers issued nearly identical statements- they were shocked and saddened by the attacks, BUT, this was brought about by America's foreign policy (Israel). During the Q&A session, it became apparent that the media in attendance weren't real impressed with the presentation. After someone asked a question regarding Islam beliefs towards terrorism, one of the panel finally stood up and said what should have been said all along- they condemn the attacks, and there was no justification for carrying these attacks out.

It was truly pathetic.

[Harrison Bergeron]

"The problem is that the moderates reacted in a moderate way..."

Whoever said "Moderation in all things" probably never envisioned waking up on a sunny Tuesday morning and witnessing the murder of over 5000 people as he sipped his morning coffee.

How anyone on earth can assume a "business as usual" attitude" in affairs of the home or state after such an atrocity boggles the mind.

[Delta-Boudreaux]

Margaret Thatcher tough-as-nails, on-the-money bump.

[tonycavanagh]

re : Are you trying to convince me the demographics of the WTC were that far off the national stats?

Unitil we have proof one way or another we shouldn’t shout bulsh*t.

Eventually there will be facts about all those who died including there religion, some of those who lost there children in the attack are British Muslims.

We are fighting an evil enemy, but there seems to be a drive by many too widen the war against all those who are seen as a threat, and know it seems that includes those who are not vocal enough in there condemnation of this attack.

There are many who would like to see this conflict turned into some sort of holy war against all Muslims. and following a well tried formula you start of with demonising the enemy using the old rules such as they are not like you and me and so on.

I have seen it in North Ireland, the Balkans and in Parts of Africa it just leads to more pain and tragedies and in one case a holocaust

We should stick to the job at hand eliminating Osama Bin Ladens Terrorist Network, his finances, support and resources.

Tony

[white trash redneck]

Maggie has more sense than any two other politicians I can name, UK or anywhere.

[tonycavanagh]

re : How anyone on earth can assume a "business as usual" attitude" in affairs of the home or state after such an atrocity boggles the mind.

They acted the way a lot of other people in my country acted with prayers, letters and adverts in the paper, expressing horror and outrage. Many took part in the candle light vigils

What did you do that was different to that.

Tony