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Whatever Happened To Repentance?
9/20/01 | David Wilkerson

Posted on 09/19/2001 9:06:44 PM PDT by RnMomof7

"Whatever Happened To Repentance?"
by David Wilkerson, pastor of Times Square Church, New York City - August 2, 1999

Whatever happened to repentance? You rarely hear the word mentioned in most churches today — even in Baptist, Pentecostal or evangelical circles. Pastors nowadays seldom call for their congregations to sorrow over sin — to mourn and grieve over wounding Christ by their wickedness.

Instead, the message we hear from many pulpits today is, "Just believe. Accept Christ, and you'll be saved." The text used to justify this message is Acts 16:30-31.

In this passage, the apostle Paul was being held in jail when suddenly the earth shook and all the cell doors opened. The jailer immediately thought all the prisoners had fled, which meant he faced execution. In despair, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself when Paul and Silas stopped him, assuring him no one had escaped.

Seeing this, the man fell down before the apostles and cried out, "…Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house" (Acts 16:30-31).

As we read this passage, it's important to remember that the jailer was on the verge of suicide, with sword in hand. He was already at a point of repentance — on his knees, broken and trembling, before the apostles. So his heart was truly prepared to accept Jesus in genuine faith.

In the gospel of Mark, Christ tells his disciples, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned" (Mark 16:16). It's clear from what Jesus says here that salvation is found in simply accepting him and being baptized.

However, Jesus prefaces his statement with this word: "…Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature" (verse 15). He's saying, in essence, that before people can believe in him, the gospel must first be preached to them.

And what is this gospel Jesus refers to? It's the gospel that Jesus himself preached — the gospel of repentance!

Think about it — what was the first message Jesus delivered, after he emerged from the temptation in the wilderness? Scripture says, "From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" (Matthew 4:17).

Jesus called people to repent before he even called them to believe! Mark writes, "…Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel" (Mark 1:14-15). Christ preached, "Repent first — and believe."

Elsewhere Jesus says of his mission, "…I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance" (Matthew 9:13). And he told the Galileans, "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3).

Jesus' gospel was all about repentance!


John the Baptist Also Preached Repentance,
to Prepare Israel for the Coming of Christ.


John's message to the Jews was simple and straightforward: "In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judea, and saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" (Matthew 3:1-2).

People came from everywhere to hear John preach. And he told them in no uncertain terms: "The messiah is soon to appear in your midst — so, you'd better get ready to meet him! You may feel excited that he's coming. But I'm telling you, your hearts are not prepared — because you're still holding onto your sins!

"Outside you appear clean and holy. But inside, you're full of dead men's bones! You're a generation of vipers, snakes, with absolutely no fear of God. Yet you have no concept that you're even sinners. I warn you — you must deal with your sin before you can believe on the savior and follow him. So, repent, turn from your sin -- and live in a way that reflects genuine change!"

What gospel did Peter preach to the masses on the day of Pentecost? The Bible tells us that when the people heard the apostle testify, "...they were pricked in their heart, and said...Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost" (Acts 2:37-38).

Peter didn't tell these people just to "believe and be saved." He didn't ask them to merely make a decision, to cast a vote for Jesus. No -- he told them to repent fast, and then be baptized in obedience to Christ!

What gospel did Paul preach to the pagan Athenians on Mars Hill? He told them very directly, "...God...now commandeth all men every where to repent" (Acts 17:30).

These Greek intellectuals had no trouble believing in God. In fact, you could say their very pastime was "believing." They believed in many gods -- first this one, then that one. Whenever someone came along preaching a god persuasively, they believed in it. So, they believed -- but they did it while living in sin. Simple belief wasn't enough!

Paul told these men, "No, no -- that's not, Christ! Jesus can't simply be added to your list of gods. You may believe in them all, but you can't merely do that with Jesus. He has come to save you from your sins. And he commands all his followers to repent and be cleansed!"

Later, Paul preached the same gospel of repentance to King Agrippa: "...I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: but shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance" (Acts 26:19-20).

Paul is saying, "Everywhere I've been, I've preached repentance. And genuine repentance proves itself by its actions!"

These passages make clear to us that the apostolic church preached unabashedly the same gospel John and Jesus preached: "Repent for the remission of your sins!"


What Does It Mean To Repent?


Some Christians believe repentance means simply to "turn around" and go in the opposite direction. But the Bible tells us repentance is much more than this.

I once heard a man say, "I'm so glad I know New Testament Greek. It translates the word 'repent' as meaning, 'to change one's mind.'"

No -- this man doesn't know his Greek! The full, literal meaning of the word "repent" in the New Testament is "to feel remorse and self-reproach for one's sins against God; to be contrite, sorry; to want to change direction." The difference in meanings here rests on the word "Want." True repentance includes a desire to change!

Moreover, simply being sorry doesn't constitute repentance. Rather, true sorrow leads to repentance. Paul states, "Godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death" (2 Corinthians 7:10).

Paul is speaking here of a sorrow that's without regrets -- one that's genuine, that "sticks" in the life of the repentant person. This kind of godly sorrow naturally produces a repentance that includes a hatred for sin, a righteous fear of God and a desire to right all wrongs.

It shouldn't surprise us, then, that Paul preached repentance to believers. He delivered a strong message of repentance to the Christians in Corinth. The Corinthian believers had been richly blessed by God, having sat under mighty teachers of the word. Yet their congregation remained rife with sin.

First Paul testifies to the Corinthians, "Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds" (2 Corinthians 12:12). But then Paul tells them very directly: "I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would..." (verse 20).

What was Paul's fear? It was simply this: "Lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed" (verse 21).

This tenderhearted shepherd loved the compromising saints in Corinth. Yet he knew they'd been well-taught that a lifestyle of gross sin was wrong. And he told them, "When I come to visit you, you're going to see me hanging my head in grief. My eyes will flow with tears, and my voice will wail in sorrow.

"If I see you continuing to indulge in uncleanness, fornication and lust, I'll be utterly broken -- because the gospel has not done its work in your heart. You haven't yet repented of your sin. And I will call you loudly to repent!"

As I read Paul's words, I find myself examining my own ministry And I have to ask, "Have I cut short the gospel Jesus preached -- the gospel of repentance? Have I essentially taken scissors to my Bible and removed the higher cost of following Christ? Have I lowered his standard by telling people, 'Just believe and be saved'?"

As I look at the church today, I wonder: Do we evangelicals insist on a biblical "godly sorrow" as evidence of true repentance? Or are we leading masses of unrepentant people into a false peace? Are we wrongly instructing them that all God requires of them is to say, "I believe in you, Jesus"?

Have we cut short genuine conviction for sins? Have we jumped in and offered salvation to those who haven't actually repented -- who haven't sorrowed over their trespasses, who haven't seen the exceeding sinfulness of their sins, who have sought faith so they could merely hide their lusts behind it?

We constantly hear awful exaggerations about the numbers of people who come to Jesus through various ministries. Christians report that scores of people were saved as they preached in prisons, schools, tribal meetings. They say, "Everybody in the place gave his heart to Jesus. When I finished preaching, they all came forward for salvation."

No -- that is a tragic exaggeration! All too often, what actually happens is that everyone simply repeats a prayer. They merely pray what they're told to pray -- and few of them grasp what they're saying. Then most go back to their heathen ways!

Such people never experience a deep work of the Holy Spirit. As a result, they never repent, never sorrow over their sins -- and never truly believe. Tragically, we've offered them something Jesus himself never offered -- salvation without repentance!

I believe the church has even taken the feeling out of conviction. Think about it -- you hardly ever see tears on the cheeks of those who are being saved anymore. Of course, I know tears don't save anyone. But God made us all human, with very real feelings. And any hell-bound sinner who has been moved upon by the Holy Spirit naturally feels a profound sorrow over the ways he has grieved the Lord.

The apostle Peter felt this kind of godly sorrow, when he denied knowing Jesus. Suddenly, he was flooded with the memory of what Jesus had told him: "Peter called to mind the word that Jesus said unto him, Before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice. And when he thought thereon, he Wept" (Mark 14:72).

As Peter remembered these words, he was overcome with emotion. And suddenly, he went running through Jerusalem, weeping, "I've betrayed the Lord!"

Beloved, we simply cannot work up that kind of repentance in our own flesh. Only the Holy Spirit can reveal to us how, like Peter, we also have wounded our loving savior. And that revelation ought to fill us with deep sorrow!

I don't agree with all of the Puritan writers' doctrine, but I love their emphasis on holiness. These godly preachers called their sermons "deep ploughing." They believed they couldn't sow true seeds of faith until the soil of their listeners' hearts had been deeply plowed.

So the Puritans made sure their preaching went deep, cracking all the fallow ground of their listeners' souls. Their sermons produced genuine repentance in their congregations. And, in turn, over the years this produced strong, mature, faithful Christians.

Today, however, most preaching is all sowing with no plowing. I hear very few sermons nowadays that dig deeper than the topsoil. Deep plowing doesn't just address the disease of sin; it digs down to the very cause of the disease. Much of the preaching we hear today focuses on the remedy while ignoring the disease. It offers a prescription without providing surgery!

Sadly, we cause people to think they've been healed of sin when they never knew they were sick. We put robes of righteousness on them when they never knew they were naked. We urge them to trust in Christ when they don't even know their need to trust. Such people end up thinking, "It can't hurt to add Jesus to my life."

C.H. Spurgeon, the powerful English preacher, said the following about the need for repentance:

"I trust that sorrowful penitence does still exist, though I have not heard much about it lately. People seem to jump into faith very quickly nowadays...I hope my old friend repentance is not dead. I am desperately in love with repentance; it seems to be the twin sister of faith.

"I do not myself understand much about dry-eyed faith; I know that I came to Christ by the way of weeping-cross...When I came to Calvary by faith, it was with great weeping and supplication, confessing my transgressions, and desiring to find salvation in Jesus, and in Jesus only."


Why did we preach the law for so long in our church? We did it because many in our congregation were calling themselves Christians -- yet their lives didn't reflect it!

In those early years, many people came forward to the altar at the end of every service. They repeated a pastoral prayer and "accepted salvation by faith." Yet, most of those people never felt any conviction for their sin. They didn't experience godly sorrow -- and so their lives didn't reveal true repentance.

Supposedly repentant theater actors professed Christ on Sunday but went back to their blasphemous shows during the week. Homosexuals prayed for salvation but still indulged in their sinful lifestyle. Others confessed Jesus at our altar yet continued their adulterous affairs, fornication or drug use.

This is why we thundered conviction from our pulpit! The Holy Ghost led our pastoral team to expose all sin, rebellion and disobedience to his word. We preached hell so hot, people got up and left our services. And we preached heaven so real, compromisers trembled at the awesome reality of Christ's holiness.

Our preaching of the law was absolutely necessary at that time. It is God's mirror, revealing every hidden, secret thing. And it brought the people in our congregation to an awareness of the exceeding sinfulness of sin.

While some people ran out, others ran forward in genuine repentance. One of these was a booming-voiced actor named David Davis. He surrendered all to Jesus in true repentance. And today, he and his wife pastor a thriving church in Israel, where they've preached Christ for almost ten years.

While the true work of repentance was accomplishing its purpose in our church, the Holy Spirit then led us to preach the glory of grace. We taught on the New Covenant, on power over sin through the Holy Spirit, on walking by faith. In short, we began to build up the saints.

Through that whole experience, we also discovered the dangers of preaching only the law and focusing primarily on sin. If people are given a steady diet of this message alone, they begin to lose hope and wallow in despair, thinking, "I'll never measure up." They constantly turn inward rather than looking to the cross for hope.

Yet when a church is the Lord's, it can trust God's Spirit to bring the message of the law whenever it's needed. If Jesus sees his people lapsing into an "easy believism," he'll once again bring the lash of the law upon them, with all mercy and grace.

You see, repentance isn't a one-time experience. It's not some hurricane that strikes once and then is gone forever. Nor do we experience repentance only in a moment of crisis, and then merely talk about it the rest of our lives. No -- sorrow for sin should be our constant teacher!

Spurgeon testified, "I freely confess that I have a very much greater sorrow for sin today than I had when I came to the savior more than thirty years ago. I hate sin more intensely now than I did when I was under conviction. There are some things that I did not know to be sin then, that I know to be sin now. I have a much keener sense of the vileness of my own heart now than when I first came to Christ...

"Sorrow for sin is a perpetual rain, a sweet, soft shower, which to a truly saved man lasts all his life long...He is always sorrowful that he has sinned...He will never stop grieving until all sin has gone."


You may remember the seven churches that John mentions in Revelation 2. Among them is the church of Ephesus -- a congregation Jesus commends very highly.

I like to think of our church in Times Square as being like the Ephesian church. That body of believers labored in one of the world's most populous cities, never fainting in the midst of vile wickedness. The people lived sacrificially, hated sin and refused to accept false doctrines. They stood strong in faith, loving God with all their heart no matter what temptations Satan threw at them.

Yet Christ knew something was amiss among these people. And he so loved this church — it was such a bright lamp to the nations — he wasn't about to sit idly by and let it die. So he told the Ephesians, "Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love" (Revelation 2:4).

Jesus was saying, "Your fire is going out! The love for me that once motivated your faithfulness is waning. You once bore my burden for the lost — but now you're satisfied merely to sit and listen to sermons. You've become totally engrossed in your own personal concerns, and you're ignoring mine. You've fallen far from where you once stood!"

Jesus then tells them, "Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen…" (verse 5). He's saying, "Think back! You used to yearn to come to my house, to be with my saints, to bear my burden. But now an hour on Sunday morning is plenty for you!"

So, dear Christian — are you still on fire for Jesus? Are you in love with him as passionately as when you first got saved? Or have you lost interest in his concerns, forsaking all ministry? Do you have too much else going on in your life? If so, the Lord says to you, "I've got something against you. You've left your first love!"

Listen to what Jesus says to us at this point: "…repent, and do the first works…" (same verse). He's saying, "Mourn over your growing apathy. Be contrite — take it seriously. Then let your grief lead you back to where you were when you first loved me!"

Christ then gives us a word that lets us know we'd better take heed. He says, "…or else…" (same verse). He immediately spells out the consequence: "…I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick…" (same verse).

Jesus is saying here that unless we repent, he's going to remove all the spiritual authority we've been given. This includes our influence on our city, our community, our neighborhood, those in our sphere of influence. Every bit of influence we have will be taken from us, he says, "Except ye repent!"

Right now, churches across the world are shutting their doors. Their lights are literally being turned out — because that's the judgment they incur for refusing to repent! God said they would lose their discernment, their spiritual blessings, their finances, his very presence. Now they're dead, lifeless, with only memories of his past blessings.

I preached in many such churches thirty years ago. At that time they were packed with zealous believers. Today, barely a dozen people sit in their pews. Soon they'll dwindle to nothing, and their doors will shut for good. God has written "Ichabod" over their doors — meaning, "The Spirit of the Lord has departed!"

Yet, beloved, God gives this same message to every Christian individually. He says, "If you refuse to repent — if you remain in your apathy — I'll remove your lampstand. You'll no longer have any influence over your family, your coworkers — anyone!"

This is exactly what happened to the Ephesian church. God waited patiently — over 1,000 years, in fact — for that church to repent. Yet finally the time came when their backsliding was more than he could endure.

The historian Gibbon writes: "The first candlestick of Ephesus was extinguished. The barbarous lords of Ionia and Lydia trampled on the remains of Christianity. Now the Mohammedan mosques invoke the god of Mohammed. Only the church of Philadel-phia still stands erect."

Yet, even as we read these words, we are not to fear. Jesus ends his admonition to us this way: "…To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God" (Revelation 2:7).

Dear saint, Jesus is that tree! He's telling us, "If you'll repent, I'll give you constant life from my very being. And as long as you continue to love me, I will provide a flow of supernatural life in you. This life will be revealed in your discernment, your love for people, your good works for my kingdom!"

This is the trait that distinguishes every Christian who's truly in love with Jesus. Such a believer is full of life — and everyone around him knows it!

Jesus promises that your godly sorrow, your repentant heart and your renewed love for him will lead you to life. So, pray to him right now: "Lord, give me a truly repentant heart. Take me back to who I was when I was first in love with you. Yet, this time take me farther, deeper in you, than I've ever been before!"

As you repent, God's Spirit will begin to produce in you a new revelation of the glory of Christ. And he'll make it known to everyone around you!



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To: RnMomof7
"I don't agree with all of the Puritan writers' doctrine, but I love their emphasis on holiness."

Sorry, but you really can't have one without the other. One can only engage in "holy living" when one is born of the supernatural sovereign grace of God that the Puritans held as the core of their doctrine. Only when there is a total focus on the work of God in salvation (driving men to their knees in repentance) is there true holiness.

Men will repent before the face of Almighty God. The problem is that they worship a god of their own imagination rather than the sovereign ruler of the universe.

41 posted on 09/20/2001 7:14:29 AM PDT by Jerry_M
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To: RnMomof7
No -- this man doesn't know his Greek! The full, literal meaning of the word "repent" in the New Testament is "to feel remorse and self-reproach for one's sins against God; to be contrite, sorry; to want to change direction." The difference in meanings here rests on the word "Want." True repentance includes a desire to change!

Moreover, simply being sorry doesn't constitute repentance. Rather, true sorrow leads to repentance. Paul states, "Godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death" (2 Corinthians 7:10).


I like David Wilkerson, but his analysis isn't exactly the most rigorous. For instance, in the passage above, he defines "repentence" and then in support quotes a verse that shows his earlier definition to be unworkable. To demonstrate this, we simply plug in his definition in place of "repentence":

"Godly sorrow worketh a feeling of sorrow and self-reproach and contrition and a desire to change direction to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death".

Sorrow worketh sorrow. Feelings, whoa, whoa, whoa, feelings... And that's the problem. People tend to substitute feelings and intentions ("a desire to change", New Years resolutions) and talk (Clinton's claiming to have kept campaign promises because they had talked about them after getting into office) for action.

No, the earlier definition of "changing direction" is the better one. The man did know his Greek. Repentence involves an actual change of direction, of behavior, not a "desire to change direction". It's a change of behavior that comes as a result of sorrow over one's sins. This is what Paul was talking about in the verse above about godly sorrow versus sorrow of the world: godly sorrow results in a change of direction, a qualitatively change in behavior. Worldly sorrow is feeling bad but not changing one's behavior. As Paul described a specific instance of repentence with respect to one sin in Ephesians 4:28: "He who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with his own hands, that he may have something to share with those in need." The worldly sorrow version of this would be, "He who has been stealing must desire to steal no longer, but must intend to work, planning to do something useful with his own hands, that he may have something he can really, really want to share with those in need."

Jesus gave another example of the difference between intention and action and the effect it had on salvation in Matthew 21:29-32.

"There was a man who had two sons. He went to the first and said, `Son, go and work today in the vineyard.' "`I will not,' he answered, but later he changed his mind and went. "Then the father went to the other son and said the same thing. He answered, `I will, sir,' but he did not go. "Which of the two did what his father wanted?" "The first," they answered. Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him."
42 posted on 09/20/2001 7:25:10 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: RnMomof7
Last night my husband read Jude to me. Is this not what this thread is talking about?

Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Jud 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Jud 1:8 Likewise also these [filthy] dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Jud 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Jud 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

Jud 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

Jud 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds [they are] without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

Jud 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

Jud 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Jud 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling [words], having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

Jud 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;

Jud 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

Jud 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

Jud 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

Jud 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

Jud 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:

Jud 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling [them] out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Jud 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

Jud 1:25 To the only wise God our Saviour, [be] glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Praise God.

43 posted on 09/20/2001 7:30:03 AM PDT by shatcher
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To: Jerry_M
Men will repent before the face of Almighty God. The problem is that they worship a god of their own imagination rather than the sovereign ruler of the universe.

Beav, there can be no such thing as repentence in a deterministic world, either the materialist world of B.F. Skinner, or the theological one of John Calvin. And you can't appeal to such similes as "Free will and determinism are like railroad tracks: they don't cross here, but looking off into the distance of eternity, they come together" as used by a speaker from Bob Jones University to illustrate how mutually exclusive concepts could be reconciled. The solution of Jonathan Edwards to just smile and be happy and believe in spite of the intractable problems posed by Calvinist schemes of predestination, is one of the earliest examples of the modern leap of faith that is the antithesis of Biblical faith.
44 posted on 09/20/2001 7:37:05 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: RnMomof7
What is repentance? This is the crucial question in order to evalulate whether this guy is accurate or not.

In the Greek New Testament, there are two words translated "repentence" in the King James version. The first is metamellomai, and it is concerned with an emotional change focusing more on particulars, and even implies regret more than remorse. This word is used regarding Judas Iscariout (he "repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver"). Now it is obvious that the son of perdition's repentance was not effectual to work salvation.

The other word translated "repent" is metanoeo, which implies far more than did metamellomai. This does imply the sincere form of repentance intended by the author of this article. Strongs defines repentance thusly: "To change one's m,ind for the better, heartily to amend with abhorrance of one's past sins."

That's the key- "abhorrance of one's past sins." That doesnt mean we wont sin as believers-- alas, I do far too frequently!!! This instead shows that we have a proper outlook on sin-- God's outlook. God is not some cosmic Santa Claus with a "boys will be boys" philosophy about sin. Sin is rebellion against God-- and it merits damnation. Thanks be to God that in His sovreign mercy he choose to provide a means of salvation! He is able to be "just, and the justifier." (Romans 3:26). The means were drastic, however-- "Being justified freely ... through Christ Jesus, whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation by faith in His blood." (Romans 3:24-25). Sin is so serious, that God in order to justify those whom He would save, He had to kill his Son. His Son had to subject himself to one of the cruelest forms of execution ever imagined-- and it was the Creation that crucified the Creator!!!

I think the author is right-- in the churches today, we have too cavilier an attitude about sin. Moral relativism and the heresies expounded from the pulpits of too many churches are damnable.

45 posted on 09/20/2001 7:45:10 AM PDT by jude24
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To: aruanan
I look at the church today and I see it as the ones invited to the wedding...but not wearing the white garment need to attend..

The church is overun with false repentence and feel good confessions..and thus also false salvation

You only know that the repentance was 'true" when the sin is "turned from"..continued confession of the same sin means there was no true repentence

46 posted on 09/20/2001 7:57:23 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Jerry_M, RnMomof7 out of a broken heart - Psalm 34:18
Only when there is a total focus on the work of God in salvation (driving men to their knees in repentance) is there true holiness.

Major Bump

The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and a contrite heart, O God, Thou wilt not despise.
There is a wonderful power to those who are on their knees. If we don't think we have need to repent of sin, then we should pray that He will reveal our wicked ways and prepare to be brought low. Out of this will He build a thirsty soul:
I stretch forth my hands unto Thee; my soul thirsteth after Thee, as a thirsty land. Selah Hear me speedily, O LORD; my spirit faileth. Hide not Thy face from me, lest I be like them that go down into the pit. Cause me to hear Thy lovingkindness in the morning, for in Thee do I trust. Cause me to know the way wherein I should walk, for I lift up my soul unto Thee.

47 posted on 09/20/2001 7:59:02 AM PDT by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody
The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and a contrite heart, O God, Thou wilt not despise.

A little holiness preach'n Woody? Amen

48 posted on 09/20/2001 8:01:32 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
My guess is it will pass by soon forgotten... Actually, it's already well underway. Once we get our first major military revenge, back to business as usual. Personally, I'm not sure even a nuclear weapon would actually wake this country up.
49 posted on 09/20/2001 8:34:52 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: RnMomof7, cc: Jerry_M, the_doc
It seems that we are speaking different languages here, so help me out. Why would a "sinless" person need to be on their knees before God in such a repentant broken hearted manner seeking to turn away from the wicked ways in which he walks?

BTW, don't think I'm bristling for a fight because I have noticed your use of filthy rags lately. I am, though, exploring the depth of your apprehension.

50 posted on 09/20/2001 8:52:48 AM PDT by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody, TigersEye
Why would a "sinless" person need to be on their knees before God in such a repentant broken hearted manner seeking to turn away from the wicked ways in which he walks?

Even the Saved are not sinless, that's why. Being saved means we do not have the just punishment for our sins (eternal death) to look forward to, but rather, because Jesus Christ came in the flesh, lived a perfect life, died in our place, and rose again, we have Heaven and eternal life with God our Father in store.

It is our choice, once saved, to "walk in the flesh" and sin, or to "walk in the Spirit" and win. We often choose the sin, because so long as we are still on this earth, we have a war raging between the Spirit and the flesh, and we sometimes lose a battle here and there.

BTTT, TigersEye.

51 posted on 09/20/2001 9:01:59 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: CCWoody, TigersEye
...because Jesus Christ came in the flesh, lived a perfect life, died in our place, and rose again...

Sorry, should have added ...and because we have believed these truths, confessed them openly, and they have changed our entire lives around from a focus on pleasing self to pleasing the God Who made us...

Makes a long sentence, though, don't it?! LOL.

52 posted on 09/20/2001 9:10:37 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: .30Carbine
But a Nazarine does believe that they are "sinless". I am made intimately aware of my nature on a regular basis; especially to things which I am totally ingnorant.
53 posted on 09/20/2001 9:15:05 AM PDT by CCWoody (Serve the Lord with fear and rejoice with trembling.)
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To: aruanan, jude24, RnMomof7, Jerry_M, CCWoody, peg the prophet
Wilkerson is certainly not the profoundest theologian in the world, but he is correct in saying that the fellow did not understand NT Greek.

In other words, there are some profound things which Wilkerson does understand.

To render the Greek word for repentance is to commit the exegetical error known as the root fallacy.

The entire Bible teaches us what repentance involves. If you can only mock what Wilkerson is saying in the article, you are mocking the Bible.

What Wilkerson is ultimately suggesting is that much of what passes for saving faith is not saving faith at all. Much of what passes for conversion in our day is just the Satanic stuff of spurious conversion.

The spurious conversion, which is more common than a true conversion, is an artifact of man's Fall in Eden. God's elect experience the real thing, not the Satanic counterfeit devoid of real repentance.

Your position is part of the problem, part of the instrumental reason why spurious conversions are so common. By arguing for an experientially meaningless understanding of the supernatural event of repentance unto life, you are encouraging easy-believism.

(As an aside, I would point out that Wilkerson's crowd is not immune to the counterfeiting, unfortunately. A lot of his adherents don't grasp the other ways in which repentance can be counterfeited. One of these ways entails the decision to be as moral as possible.

That's not repentance, either. Even if you mix in a little sentimental religiosity, it's not repentance.

What Wilkerson needs to notice is that the Puritans approached holiness from an altogether different direction than Wilkerson does. They were predestinarians. That changes everything. And in this area, the Puritans were right an Wilkerson is wrong.)

54 posted on 09/20/2001 9:47:42 AM PDT by the_doc
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To: RnMomof7
SHABBAT SHUVAH
5 Tishri 5762, September 22, 2001
Torah portion for The Sabbath of Return

Hosea 14


Israel Restored at Last

1 O Israel, return to the LORD your God,
        For you have stumbled because of your iniquity;
2Take words with you,
        And return to the LORD.
        Say to Him,
        "Take away all iniquity;
        Receive us graciously,
        For we will offer the sacrifices of our lips.
3Assyria shall not save us,
        We will not ride on horses,
        Nor will we say anymore to the work of our hands, "You are our gods.'
        For in You the fatherless finds mercy."


4"I will heal their backsliding,
        I will love them freely,
        For My anger has turned away from him.
5I will be like the dew to Israel;
        He shall grow like the lily,
        And lengthen his roots like Lebanon.
6His branches shall spread;
        His beauty shall be like an olive tree,
        And his fragrance like Lebanon.
7Those who dwell under his shadow shall return;
        They shall be revived like grain,
        And grow like a vine.
        Their scent shall be like the wine of Lebanon.


8"Ephraim shall say, "What have I to do anymore with idols?'
        I have heard and observed him.
        I am like a green cypress tree;
        Your fruit is found in Me."


9Who is wise?
        Let him understand these things.
        Who is prudent?
        Let him know them.
        For the ways of the LORD are right;
        The righteous walk in them,
        But transgressors stumble in them.

Joel 2

15Blow the trumpet in Zion,
        Consecrate a fast,
        Call a sacred assembly;
16Gather the people,
        Sanctify the congregation,
        Assemble the elders,
        Gather the children and nursing babes;
        Let the bridegroom go out from his chamber,
        And the bride from her dressing room.
17Let the priests, who minister to the LORD,
        Weep between the porch and the altar;
        Let them say, "Spare Your people, O LORD,
        And do not give Your heritage to reproach,
        That the nations should rule over them.
        Why should they say among the peoples,
        "Where is their God?"'




The Land Refreshed
18 Then the LORD will be zealous for His land,
        And pity His people.
19The LORD will answer and say to His people,
        "Behold, I will send you grain and new wine and oil,
        And you will be satisfied by them;
        I will no longer make you a reproach among the nations.


20"But I will remove far from you the northern army,
        And will drive him away into a barren and desolate land,
        With his face toward the eastern sea
        And his back toward the western sea;
        His stench will come up,
        And his foul odor will rise,
        Because he has done monstrous things."


21Fear not, O land;
        Be glad and rejoice,
        For the LORD has done marvelous things!
22Do not be afraid, you beasts of the field;
        For the open pastures are springing up,
        And the tree bears its fruit;
        The fig tree and the vine yield their strength.
23Be glad then, you children of Zion,
        And rejoice in the LORD your God;
        For He has given you the former rain faithfully,
        And He will cause the rain to come down for you--
        The former rain,
        And the latter rain in the first month.
24The threshing floors shall be full of wheat,
        And the vats shall overflow with new wine and oil.


25"So I will restore to you the years that the swarming locust has eaten,
        The crawling locust,
        The consuming locust,
        And the chewing locust,
        My great army which I sent among you.
26You shall eat in plenty and be satisfied,
        And praise the name of the LORD your God,
        Who has dealt wondrously with you;
        And My people shall never be put to shame.
27Then you shall know that I am in the midst of Israel:
        I am the LORD your God
        And there is no other.
        My people shall never be put to shame.

RETURN!

55 posted on 09/20/2001 9:51:48 AM PDT by Jeremiah Jr (Zion Lion)
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To: araunan, jude24, RnMomof7, Jerry_M, CCWoody, peg the prophet
In my #54, I should have said

To render the Greek word for repentance as merely a change of mind is to commit the exegetical error known as the root fallacy.

Easy-believism is a big problem in our day. The exponents claim to be the spiritual descendents of the Reformers in justification by faith alone, but they are actually at odds with the Reformers on this.

As John Bunyan said, it doesn't take much faith to save, but it takes true faith. And the assensus stuff which the Reformers complained about in Romanism has become a terrible mess in our day (especially in the dispensational and Wesleyan movements, IMO).

56 posted on 09/20/2001 10:00:07 AM PDT by the_doc
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To: CCWoody
Not biting Woody...our church was on its knees Sunday...was yours?
57 posted on 09/20/2001 10:07:50 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: CCWoody,.30Carbine
" But a Nazarine does believe that they are "sinless". I am made intimately aware of my nature on a regular basis; especially to things which I am totally ingnorant."

Sounds like woody has gotten his marching orders..right woody?

Weselyans belive that the grace of God makes it possible not that I cannot sin...but that I can NOT sin...

Might be that your God's grace is insufficent to help you not to choose sin..

So while you CHOOSE sin ...I choose Gods grace,I am not a servent of sin..

I will not discuss this with you again Woody

Matthew - 22:1And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,
22:2The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
22:3And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
22:4Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and [my] fatlings [are] killed, and all things [are] ready: come unto the marriage.
22:5But they made light of [it], and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
22:6And the remnant took his servants, and entreated [them] spitefully, and slew [them].
22:7But when the king heard [thereof], he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
22:8Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
22:9Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
22:10So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
22:11And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
22:12And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
22:13Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast [him] into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

22:14For many are called, but few [are] chosen.

What color is your garment Woody?

Revelation 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? Revelation 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

58 posted on 09/20/2001 10:21:57 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: the_doc
Your position is part of the problem, part of the instrumental reason why spurious conversions are so common. By arguing for an experientially meaningless understanding of the supernatural event of repentance unto life, you are encouraging easy-believism.

You'll have to actually elaborate since you've explained nothing.
59 posted on 09/20/2001 10:26:27 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: RnMomof7
So while you CHOOSE sin ...I choose Gods grace,I am not a servent of sin..

Either you are far superior to me and every Christian I know, or you're mistaken. You're claiming you don't sin anymore??? Uh.... no. The apostle John doesnt allow us that belief: "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us" (1 John 5:8). This is written to believers, as evidenced by the following verse which promises forgiveness upon confession of sin.

If you don't sin anymore, you are far the superior of the Apostle Paul, who admitted his own struggles with sin as a believer in Romans 7.

Now, regarding the quote of Rev. 7:13-14, that just demonstrates how effectual Christ's propitiatory death was. Because their garments "are washed in the blood," they are white as snow. Similarly, it is because of Christ's death and resurrection(and only because of Christ's death and resurrection) that we are saved. God sees us not as the wretched, vile sinners that we are (even regenerate though we are!!), but rather as saints because He sees us through His Son.

60 posted on 09/20/2001 11:27:15 AM PDT by jude24
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