Whatever Happened To Repentance?

9/20/01 | David Wilkerson

[George W. Bush]

With all due respect, I have to object. Uriel does not call names and hurl damnation. When he misstates the position of someone else, he apologizes graciously. Uriel does not sneak around in FRmail and bash people and play games with "misaddressed" FRmail. Uriel doesn't call a woman a lying heretic whore ever. Uriel does not support the views of a woman who has now claimed that as a Christian she is incapable of lying. Doc has taken up with peg and seems to be supporting her just to be spiteful toward RnMom. Given their infallibility, I suspect that doc and peg have a lot in common.

There's a big difference between doc and Uriel.

[RnMomof7]

You cannot deflect the issue to sarcasm. Sarcasm is NOT the issue. Your filthy statement (#63) under the rubric of sarcasm is the issue.

But it is fine for your leader to call a Christian woman a liar ,a heretic and a whore huh?

That was an exchange between woody and me..there is a line from Shakespeare that fits well hwere

"me thinks though doest protest too much"

[RnMomof7]

Doc has taken up with peg and seems to be supporting her just to be spiteful toward RnMom. Given their infallibility, I suspect that doc and peg have a lot in common.

Is there room for two gods in the same space...UMMMMMMMm

[CCWoody]

Learn to honor womanhood.

This must be some kind of a sick mormon joke. First, multiple wives, and now, multiple wives through proxy. You need to repent of this or be prepared to suffer why you were more interested in your glory than His Glory.

[CCWoody]

This is their modus operandi. Attack. Attack. Attack. Look for pretexts to attack. Try to get the other guy angry, so when they counterattack (even couched in sarcasm), profess to be deeply wounded, and make endless demands for apologies, which is another kind of attack.

Do you even know what you are talking about? FYI, I was the object of her "love" this time.

[RnMomof7]

To: White Mountain cc: Dahlseide the_doc, Uriel1975 This is their modus operandi. Attack. Attack. Attack. Look for pretexts to attack. Try to get the other guy angry, so when they counterattack (even couched in sarcasm), profess to be deeply wounded, and make endless demands for apologies, which is another kind of attack. Do you even know what you are talking about? FYI, I was the object of her "love" this time.

Let us review some of the words that have been sent my way,in just this one thread..seeing you are now crying foul first Woody,let us look at your words of ridicule aimed at me,and to mock my church and in your ignorance alot of very good Christians

. Why would a "sinless" person need to be on their knees before God in such a repentant broken hearted manner seeking to turn away from the wicked ways in which he walks?

I hope that was just a sarcastic question..because if it wasnt it proves you have not read one post regarding this from,don,or me,You did that to discredit and slander the Wesleyans and you know it in your heart..you could have asked in a civilized way,but YOU chose to walk in your masters steps

So I gave back to you the same sarcastic answer that would suggest that I like you had not learned any thing about Calvinism on these threads

But then as WM points out all the cry babies come out.It is ok to defame Wesley, and non Calvinists...but should one say something that has an edged to it..it is suddenly proof that I am "unloving"

Well lets look at some of what was said..

From doc"Maybe some of the other folks will continue giving you doctrinal pearls, but if you are going to behave like a swine, I won't. You deserve only a rebuke as a factious crank--i.e., a lying heretic--not a person who is interested in understanding sound doctrine.

This one from doc is of special note

The very first casualty of Wesley's theological stupidity was the Truth. And that is why so many lovey-dovey Wesleyans are so contemptuous of sound doctrine. It is also why you lovey-dovey Wesleyans are so malevolent when someone confronts you for your doctrinal nonsense. You show your true colors.>

I especially like that Wesleyans are MALEVONANT...while all the slander,namecalling and spiritual threats are acceptable because you all have the "truth "right

Let us go on

You may fool yourself and a few naive lurkers, but you certainly don't fool me by your religiosity. There is a foul spirit in your soul. It is the very reason why you are completely unteachable. It is the reason why you cannot receive the Truth

The love of Christ shed abroad ..by the followers of Calvin

And yet one more 'love note for PUBLIC consumption

Sometimes you dismiss the rebuke with a smarmy joke or inane flattery. This is part of your self-deception. You think you love the Lord, and your "lovely" spirit is part of the charade of your Truth-despising spirit. And the whole mess is sealed by your false doctrine of sanctification. You are actually an unholy mess, it seems to me. No, lady, you are not teachable yet. You are not even close.

And from one more calvinist,Dahlseide You cannot deflect the issue to sarcasm. Sarcasm is NOT the issue. Your filthy statement (#63) under the rubric of sarcasm is the issue.

And all of this only represents the on forum discussion..

Woody perhaps it fits your defination of Christian not to address the doctrine..but to instead attact the character,salvation and spirit of a person with calls of liar and whore (done off the forum this time).

You intentially worded that post to mock not to learn..you were looking for allies to mock the Weselyans..it was not an honest question....I answered your dishonest question with a dishonest answer to make a point..

Is this "love" ahhhh you sound like you have learned the hateful rethortic well...but ask doc...your mentor he will tell you truth is love..and on this we agree..I guess it just depends on who's truth..

The funny thing of all this is.......well never mind it might spoil the group game of get the "WOMAN"....how close you were...how close you were

[RnMomof7]

To the only Calvinist that offered any kind of a Christian response..a bump to #146

[Lazamataz]

Whatever Happened To Repentance?

If you join the Jewish religion, you could have a whole 10 days dedicated to repentance and atonement. We are in Rosh Hashana right now. Still time to join before the blowing of the Shofar on Yom Kippur! :o)

[RnMomof7]

Have a blessed New Year..and may God keep Israel!

[Lazamataz]

Have a blessed New Year..and may God keep Israel!

Thanks. :o)

(Thought I had converted ya for a second there) :o)

[George W. Bush]

If you join the Jewish religion, you could have a whole 10 days dedicated to repentance and atonement. We are in Rosh Hashana right now. Still time to join before the blowing of the Shofar on Yom Kippur! :o) We Christians would urge you to accept Christ as your saviour at any time of the year.

Our Messiah offers immediate and perfect atonement but, it seems, we may expect a lifetime of repentance.

Come back any time.

[George W. Bush]

This must be some kind of a sick mormon joke. First, multiple wives, and now, multiple wives through proxy. You need to repent of this or be prepared to suffer why you were more interested in your glory than His Glory. There has never been any indication that WM is a member of the dissident fundamentalist Mormon groups who practice polygamy. They have all been expelled from LDS and their obvious adherents excommicated. This suggestion is hardly fair. In his advocacy of for the Saints church, White Mountain only refers to modern LDS materials. The real polygamists reject those materials.

We may disagree with WM's Book of Mormon but you have no right to accuse him of polygamy without proof.

[Lazamataz]

We Christians would urge you to accept Christ as your saviour at any time of the year. Our Messiah offers immediate and perfect atonement but, it seems, we may expect a lifetime of repentance. Come back any time.

Feh. You Christians go to confessional every week, while we get our atonement all in one day.

It figures: Christians even pay retail for sins, whereas we Jews always find the good bargain! ;^)

[CCWoody]

I have requested a change, but we may want to wait to post until the thread is fixed or yanked!

Thread II

[George W. Bush]

Feh. You Christians go to confessional every week, while we get our atonement all in one day. It figures: Christians even pay retail for sins, whereas we Jews always find the good bargain! ;^) You've confused us with the Romanists, the so-called Roman Catholics.

We are Protestants and Baptists here. We confess our sins directly to God and are forgiven directly by God at any time.

A simplicity undreamt of by Jews or Romanists. I'll just point out that it is available to all who will come. I'm afraid I'm too sincere to add a witty riposte.

[White Mountain]

Your #141: Uriel does not call names and hurl damnation. When he misstates the position of someone else, he apologizes graciously. Uriel does not sneak around in FRmail and bash people and play games with "misaddressed" FRmail. Uriel doesn't call a woman a lying heretic whore ever. Uriel does not support the views of a woman who has now claimed that as a Christian she is incapable of lying. Doc has taken up with peg and seems to be supporting her just to be spiteful toward RnMom. Given their infallibility, I suspect that doc and peg have a lot in common. There's a big difference between doc and Uriel.

I completely agree, 100%. My point was that it is doc and Uriel this time around who are going after RnMom and will, I expect, be demanding apologies for many threads to come. Uriel has a very different attack style from that of doc, but they are both very energetic in that regard.

Nevertheless, may God bless them both, and their families, and you and yours as well!

[Dahlseide]

But it is fine for your leader to call a Christian woman a liar, a heretic and a whore huh?

Guess it is time for me to respond in order that my complaint be clear - the complaint wherein I would attempt to reprove any Christian who made that statement that you made in (so long ago - was it #63) an exchange with ???. I care not a whit whether the words you used offended the one addressed - this is, to an old Iowa farm boy, a "party line", I heard.

If you were called a liar, like in nearly always, vs specific e-utterances, I would agree that you are not a liar always. Same for heretic where I assume at this late date that the_doc referred to one or more heretical statements vs heretic in toto. Regarding whore, it is a fact that you were never called a whore - there is a world of difference between Babylon and round-heels. In truth of course Babylon is infinitely worse than round-heels, I think, so the accusation was very grave, not to be taken likely - but also not to be dismissed as simply whore in the context that you stated.. Whore, with out a modifier, means round-heels, not Babylon. the_doc did not mean round-heels.

A Christian can/may make a heretical statement, and can/may also make a statement, one or more, that is a lie. The fundamental issue is really doctrine, not life-style, since those who take this seriously are more often than not guided by doctrine. Lack of wanting to sin, or not sinning intentionally, or some such statement, flies in the face of Holy Scripture. We have, do, and will - our sins are not imaginary they are real. You may think what I have just said is a lie, is heretical. I will disagree in very strong terms as you of course may with me.

I find it ironic that an LDS who hasn't a clue of the essentials of the Bible should attempt to butter-up to GWB and you and ???. I'd rather have these discussions in private than on a party line but the die has been cast and accusations have been made by others referring to "behind ones back". So this is out in the open should any care to retort.

As for my leader, I'll assume you meant that as sarcasm. I have no problem with sarcasm; I like and use it myself (#63 was vicious, yes filthy, and if meant as sarcasm, was not Christian)

[RnMomof7]

I am not going bact there