Posted on 09/11/2001 4:07:58 PM PDT by Illbay
Just above the text box into which I'm typing, it says, and I quote, "NO racist or violence posts."
Ladies and Gentlemen, FReepers of every race, CREED and color, I urge an immediate moratorium on the nauseatingly bigoted comments directed against "Islam," or "Muslims," or any negative reference to anyone strictly because of his or her religion. FR is no place for this trash, and I'd like to publicly call on the Esteemed Moderators to hunt down and erase all such tripe from FR.
The bible was completed in the 1st century, and Islam did not begin until the 7th century.
Do you see why the bible does not mention Islam?
I do agree that this does not need to be a war on the Islamic people. The re are two wars to fight. One is physical, and it deals with the physical destruction that some Muslims have brought. The other is in the Spirit, and deals with the unseen world (Ephesians 6:12).
The war that we need to fight on Islam is one of conversion to Christ, through education and willful prayer.
False and failed Prophecies about the Hour put in the mouth of Jesus in the New Testament:
The sections of this article are:
1- Jesus' false prophecies in Mark 13, Luke 9:23-27 and Revelation 3:11.
2- The Jesus of Islam is not a liar.
3- Conclusion. My advise to the reader.
Jesus' false prophecies in Mark 13, Luke 9:23-27 and Revelation 3:11:
In the Bible, we see Jesus boldly promising for some serious and major Prophecies about the Hour to pass before the generation of his disciples dies. The Prophecies never got fulfilled! Let us look at chapters Mark 13, Luke 9:23-27 and Revelation 3:11 in the NIV Bible:
Mark 13
Signs of the End of the Age
1 As he was leaving the temple, one of his disciples said to him, "Look, Teacher! What massive stones! What magnificent buildings!"
2 "Do you see all these great buildings?" replied Jesus. "Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."
3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John and Andrew asked him privately,
4 "Tell us, when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are all about to be fulfilled?"
5 Jesus said to them: "Watch out that no one deceives you.
6 Many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and will deceive many.
7 When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.
8 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains.
9 "You must be on your guard. You will be handed over to the local councils and flogged in the synagogues. On account of me you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them.
10 And the gospel must first be preached to all nations.
11 Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit.
12 "Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child. Children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death.
13 All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.
14 "When you see 'the abomination that causes desolation' [1] standing where it [2] does not belong--let the reader understand--then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
15 Let no one on the roof of his house go down or enter the house to take anything out.
16 Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak.
17 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers!
18 Pray that this will not take place in winter,
19 because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now--and never to be equaled again.
20 If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them.
21 At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ [3] !' or, 'Look, there he is!' do not believe it.
22 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect--if that were possible.
23 So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.
24 "But in those days, following that distress,
" 'the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
25 the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.' [4]
26 "At that time men will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory.
27 And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.
28" Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near.
29 Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it is near, right at the door.
30 I tell you the truth, this generation [5] will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
31Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
The Day and Hour Unknown
32 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
33 Be on guard! Be alert [6] ! You do not know when that time will come.
34 It's like a man going away: He leaves his house and puts his servants in charge, each with his assigned task, and tells the one at the door to keep watch.
35 "Therefore keep watch because you do not know when the owner of the house will come back--whether in the evening, or at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or at dawn.
36 If he comes suddenly, do not let him find you sleeping.
37 What I say to you, I say to everyone: 'Watch!' "
Foot Notes:
1. 13:14 Daniel 9:27; 11:31; 12:11
2. 13:14 Or he; also in verse 29
3. 13:21 Or Messiah
4. 13:25 Isaiah 13:10; 34:4
5. 13:30 Or race
6. 13:33 Some manuscripts alert and pray
Note on Foot Note #5: The NIV Bible translators had put the word "race" in their foot note, while the original translations don't have that word! They have "generation":
"Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. (From the King James Version Bible, Mark 13:30)"
"Verily I say to you, that this generation may not pass away till all these things may come to pass; (Young's Literal Translation, Mark 13:30)"
None of these older and more original translations have foot notes for this verse. See the proof here. Only the NIV translation has this foot note. The word "generation" is the original word found in Mark 13:30 in the original "Gospel of Mark" scriptures that were found and were attributed to Mark (even though there is no proof for Mark's ownership of the so-called "Gospel of Mark"). See the comments of the Bible's own theologians and historians that confirm this fact.
Jesus not only promised that the hour would come before the generation he was living among would pass in the book of Mark, but he also made the same promise in the book of Luke:
"Then he said to them all: "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will save it. What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit his very self? If anyone is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels. I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God." (From the NIV Bible, Luke 9:23-27)"
Similar to Mark 13:1-37 as shown above, Jesus in Luke 9:23-27 yet makes another promise that the hour would come before the generation he was living among would pass. It is now 2,000 years after Jesus and the generation he was living among is all dead, and yet, the Hour have not come yet! Need we say more about this corrupted gospel that no one on this earth know who originally wrote it? See the comments of the Bible's own theologians and historians that confirm this fact.
Few points to notice:
1- In Mark 13:4, Jesus began speaking about the Signs of the Hour. His disciples got anxious and wanted to know when the Hour would come.
2- Jesus in Mark 13:5-27 began speaking about the false deceivers and false prophets and other signs.
3- Jesus in Mark 13:30 boldly says: "I tell you the truth, this generation [5] will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." Jesus' disciples have died, and it's been now more than 2000 years after Jesus, and still the Hour has not come yet.
4- Jesus in Mark 13:32-33 clearly stated that no one except for GOD Almighty knows when the Hour would come. But if you look closely at his words and the grammar, you would see that even though Jesus never gave an exact date to the Hour, he did mean to say that it will come soon -- while his disciples were still alive! This point is clearly proved in Mark 13:30, where Jesus promised that "this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened", and in Mark 13:33, where Jesus warned his disciples to be on a constant lookout for the Hour, since it could happen at any moment before their generation dies or passes.
Let us look at Revelation 3:11:
"I (Jesus) am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your crown. (From the NIV Bible, Revelation 3:11)"
Knowing clearly the verses of Mark 13 and Luke 9:23-27 above, it is clear that Revelation 3:11 must be read in their context. It is clear that Jesus in all of these verses was telling the people that the Hour is coming soon. Some of those people will even live to see it (Mark 13:30). Jesus again in the book of Revelation affirms that he is coming back and those people should hold on to their faith because they won't have to wait long.
Well, they all died their natural deaths and non of them saw Jesus coming back! It's been 2000 years since Jesus came to earth, and he hasn't come back yet.
The Jesus of Islam is not a liar:
Let us look at what Allah Almighty said about Jesus peace be upon him:
"Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute. (The Noble Quran, 19:34)"
"The similitude of Jesus before God is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was. (The Noble Quran, 3:59)"
"And behold! God will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden. (The Noble Quran, 5:116)"
"O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of God aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of God, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in God and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for God is one God: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs. (The Noble Quran, 4:171)"
"Curses were pronounced on those among the Children of Israel who rejected Faith, by the tongue of David and of Jesus the son of Mary: because they disobeyed and persisted in excesses. (The Noble Quran, 5:78)"
"The same religion has He established for you (i.e., Muhammad) as that which He enjoined on Noah - the which We have sent by inspiration to thee - and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than God, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. God chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him). (The Noble Quran, 42:13)"
"We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of apostles; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you an apostle with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride?- Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay! (The Noble Quran, 2:87)"
"And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear God. (The Noble Quran, 5:46)"
"Those apostles We endowed with gifts, some above others: To one of them God spoke; others He raised to degrees (of honour); to Jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs), and strengthened him with the holy spirit. If God had so willed, succeeding generations would not have fought among each other, after clear (Signs) had come to them, but they (chose) to wrangle, some believing and others rejecting. If God had so willed, they would not have fought each other; but God Fulfilleth His plan. (The Noble Quran, 2:253)"
"Say ye: "We believe in God, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to God (in Islam)." (The Noble Quran, 2:136)"
"Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! God giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to God; (The Noble Quran, 3:45)"
"When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: "Who will be My helpers to (the work of) God?" Said the disciples: "We are God's helpers: We believe in God, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims. (The Noble Quran, 3:52)"
"Behold! God said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute. (The Noble Quran, 3:55)"
"That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of God";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) know ledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- (The Noble Quran, 4:157)"
"Then will God say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.' (The Noble Quran, 5:110)"
"Behold! the disciples, said: "O Jesus the son of Mary! can thy Lord send down to us a table set (with viands) from heaven?" Said Jesus: "Fear God, if ye have faith." (The Noble Quran, 5:112)"
"Said Jesus the son of Mary: "O God our Lord! Send us from heaven a table set (with viands), that there may be for us - for the first and the last of us - a solemn festival and a sign from thee; and provide for our sustenance, for thou art the best Sustainer (of our needs)." (The Noble Quran, 5:114)"
"And Zakariya and John, and Jesus and Elias: all in the ranks of the righteous: (The Noble Quran, 6:85)"
"When (Jesus) the son of Mary is held up as an example, behold, thy people raise a clamour thereat (in ridicule)! (The Noble Quran, 43:57)"
"And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way. (The Noble Quran, 43:61)"
"When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said: "Now have I come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which ye dispute: therefore fear God and obey me. (The Noble Quran, 43:63)"
"Then, in their wake, We followed them up with (others of) Our apostles: We sent after them Jesus the son of Mary, and bestowed on him the Gospel; and We ordained in the hearts of those who followed him Compassion and Mercy. But the Monasticism which they invented for themselves, We did not prescribe for them: (We commanded) only the seeking for the Good Pleasure of God; but that they did not foster as they should have done. Yet We bestowed, on those among them who believed, their (due) reward, but many of them are rebellious transgressors. (The Noble Quran, 57:27)"
"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the apostle of God (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of an Apostle to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!" (The Noble Quran, 61:6)" Please visit Jesus mentioned Muhammad by the name in the Bible.
"O ye who believe! Be ye helpers of God: As said Jesus the son of Mary to the Disciples, "Who will be my helpers to (the work of) God?" Said the disciples, "We are God's helpers!" then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved: But We gave power to those who believed, against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed. (The Noble Quran, 61:14)"
Conclusion:
This article is another proof that the Bible is corrupt and invalid. You certainly can not trust the Bible in anything, because it is all narrated by third-party people, and not by its original people. That's why you see throughout the entire Bible narrations such as "And Moses said to his people..." instead of "And I (Moses) said....", and "Jesus said to Matthew...." instead of "And I (Jesus) said to Matthew", or "And Jesus said to me (Matthew)....".
The entire Bible is corrupt! The third-party narrations clearly prove that most of the Bible was written by people who were not appointed by GOD Almighty. Please visit What parts of the Bible do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth? and Why?
I am not asking you to stop believing in Jesus peace be upon him. Jesus was not a liar. The Bible's New Testament is the book that is full of lies and man-made corruptions and alterations. The Jesus of Islam never claimed to be perfect, nor ever claimed to be GOD.
So the least I am asking from you, Mr. reader, is that if you're a Trinitarian Christian, then you should desert this stupidity immediately!! I truly wish and pray that you do embrace Islam; the True Divine Religion of GOD Almighty. But if you can't, then at least desert this polytheist and pagan practice, so you would at least have some chance to be saved in the End:
"Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him. (The Noble Quran, 112:1-4)"
Jesus was no creator, and even your very own corrupted New Testament proves it as I clearly showed above. My friend and brother/sister in humanity, desert the stupidity of trinity immediately so you can be saved. Otherwise, you have only yourself to blame.
I'd debate your theological understanding of Christianity, however I do not expect you to be around this forum for much longer. The liar is Mohammad, not Jesus. Now prepare for the ZOT oh you how signed up today to post, you sorry apologist.
This post has been dipped in bacon grease.
Plus something about casting pearls before swine.
Seems you have tied your wagon to a dead horse.
Has "Islam" offended that someone should "retaliate"? What if one just calls for killing muslims and leaves "Islam" out of it?
Bye, Salemo.He's dead, Jim!
Another one bites the dust.
BTTT
A history lesson. I wonder how all the defenders of islam feel about it now????
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