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Water(Over)Board "Justice" Twenty Five Years On
Mark Steyn online ^ | Mark Steyn; James Mitchell

Posted on 09/05/2026 10:59:51 AM PDT by Chickensoup

I thought this was important given the leftist judge setting free Kahilid Sheik Mohammed.

The video damns us and our future here and now

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(Excerpt) Read more at steynonline.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: gitmo
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I thought this was important given the leftist judge setting free Kahilid Sheik Mohammed.

The video damns us and our future here and now

Do not miss

1 posted on 09/05/2026 10:59:51 AM PDT by Chickensoup
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To: Chickensoup

nobody will watch a video when they don’t know what’s in it


2 posted on 09/05/2026 11:21:42 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Chickensoup
bfl

Mark Steyn is one of my faves but I gotta go.

3 posted on 09/05/2026 11:35:21 AM PDT by ZOOKER
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To: Chickensoup

At some point someone will probably describe what the thread is about.


4 posted on 09/05/2026 11:53:46 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: Chickensoup

Thanks for posting, read the whole thing, lots of very quotable, but this was riveting:

JAMES MITCHELL: No. Eh, here’s what Americans I think don’t know. When they kill people, it’s an act of worship. One of the things that became clear to me when I was talking with these guys is that one way they show their love for Allah and one way they show how powerful Allah is, is by slaughtering people who are helpless to prevent it. So when they, you know, they cut the throat of a Yazidis sex slave and she bleeds out in a bowel, that’s actually an act of worship. It’s not an act of aggression.

You know, when they crucify children or burn people in cages or in KSM’s case when he decapitated Daniel Pearl and then dismembered his [Mark: right] cut his arms and legs off and stacked him a hole, that was not a, an, act of anger. It was an act of love for his god and he feels as though he shows his god how powerful his god is by how helpless innocent people are to prevent their destruction.


5 posted on 09/05/2026 11:56:39 AM PDT by sopo
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To: sopo

islam is completely incompatible with civilized societies. It’s a cancer on the planet.

L


6 posted on 09/05/2026 12:01:27 PM PDT by Lurker ( Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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islam is completely incompatible with civilized societies. It’s a cancer on the planet.

As are leftists, leftist politicians, leftist "academics," leftist "entertainers," and most importantly, leftist judges.

7 posted on 09/05/2026 12:17:05 PM PDT by Rocco DiPippo (Either the Deep State destroys America or we destroy the Deep State. -Donald Trump)
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To: Chickensoup

Remember, if you use low sulphur diesel, it isnt water boarding.


8 posted on 09/05/2026 12:36:00 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (You choose; a world without dogs or a world without muslims.)
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JAMES MITCHELL: Well we assume it’s important for them to like us. [Mark: Yeah] And that, and that if they, if they only liked us, if they only understood that we want to live in peace with them, then everything would be okay, but it’s actually the opposite. What KSM told me was that our judicial system, our Bill of Rights, our civil liberties, our desire to have other people in the world like us were all weapons that Allah had placed in our minds so that we could be defeated by the Islamists who were the true, had the true dominion of the world.


MARK STEYN: But, let me bring it back to you personally. When I visited Gitmo, the guys running the joint said one of the problems they’d had there was that the very eminent legal representation that the detainees have...there was a concerted effort to identify people working at the camp and actually find out their names and intimidate their family members and all the rest of it. And, and the one guard told me he said the biggest chill was when one of the prisoners looked at him and said he knew his wife and children’s names.

You were exposed to that. The lawyers for these guys—

JAMES MITCHELL: They put it in their privilege bag [Mark: Yeah] so they couldn’t be searched [Mark: Yeah] and they smuggled the photos of me and several other people who were not even part of the interrogation program. [Mark: Right] But some people who are, who were, who were still undercover smuggled those things in to Guantanamo, gave them to KSM, gave them to – well, they showed them to all of those folks. [Mark: Right] And that case has not been completely resolved. You know it was just recently turned over to some small investigative outfit associated with the Navy. Uh, [Mark: Right] and that case has not been resolved.


9 posted on 09/05/2026 12:42:28 PM PDT by sopo
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I stopped paying attention to this sh!t years ago.

It was absolutely retarded from the start to detain foreign nationals on foreign soil in a combat zone and then bring them back here and process them as ordinary criminals.

10 posted on 09/05/2026 1:20:42 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (If I leave here, it’s because I’m tired of arguing with geriatric parrots wearing MAGA hats.)
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bump


11 posted on 09/05/2026 1:30:22 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (The first duty of the American government is to protect American citizens, not illegal aliens. --DJT)
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To: muir_redwoods

“Remember, if you use low sulphur diesel, it isnt water boarding.”
Isn’t low Sulphur more expensive?


12 posted on 09/05/2026 2:55:53 PM PDT by READINABLUESTATE
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To: Mariner

If you read the transcript, you will be fully informed and disgusted by what the jihadis actually believe and intend to do.


13 posted on 09/05/2026 3:55:23 PM PDT by Flaming Conservative ((Pray without ceasing))
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I am going to watch the deer in my yard now.

It’s less traumatizing than thinking hard about their intent, which is to kill us all.


14 posted on 09/05/2026 4:31:05 PM PDT by combat_boots
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To: Chickensoup

later


15 posted on 09/05/2026 4:32:25 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Import The Third World,Become The Third World)
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To: sopo

Important for all to read and understand.


16 posted on 09/05/2026 6:38:18 PM PDT by Chickensoup
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To: Alberta's Child

Read this it is about the hell we face.


17 posted on 09/05/2026 6:39:56 PM PDT by Chickensoup
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To: sopo

Thank you for posting this important nugget


18 posted on 09/05/2026 7:17:03 PM PDT by Chickensoup
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To: Chickensoup
I thought this was important given the leftist judge setting free Kahilid Sheik Mohammed.

This is just bullshit. KSM has been detained for about 25 years and has not been brought to trial because the government cannot make the case without violating the constitutional rights of the accused.

Some apparently believe that the Constitution can be disregarded whenever adherence appears inconvenient.

And some choose to make believe that detention in GITMO means the detainee has no constitutional rights. The U.S. Supreme Court crushed that idea in 2004 and 2008.

It is not a leftist judge standing in the way, but the U.S. Constitution.

https://www.loc.gov/item/usrep542466/

Rasul v. Bush, 542 U.S. 466 (2004)

At 481-484:

Considering that the statute draws no distinction between Americans and aliens held in federal custody, there is little reason to think that Congress intended the geographical coverage of the statute to vary depending on the detainee's citizenship. Aliens held at the base, no less than American citizens, are entitled to invoke the federal courts' authority under §2241.

Application of the habeas statute to persons detained at the base is consistent with the historical reach of the writ of habeas corpus. At common law, courts exercised habeas jurisdiction over the claims of aliens detained within sovereign territory of the realm," as well as the claims of persons detained in the so-called "exempt jurisdictions," where ordinary writs did not run, and all other dominions under the sovereign's control. As Lord Mansfield wrote in 1759, even if a territory was "no part of the realm," there was "no doubt" as to the court's power to issue writs of habeas corpus if the territory was "under the subjection of the Crown." King v. Cowle, 2 Burr. 834, 854-855, 97 Eng. Rep. 587, 598-599 (K. B.). Later cases confirmed that the reach of the writ depended not on formal notions of territorial sovereignty, but rather ofi the practical question of "the exact extent and nature of the jurisdiction or dominion exercised in fact by the Crown." Ex parte Mwenya, [1960] 1 Q. B. 241, 303 (C. A.) (Lord Evershed, M. R.).

In the end, the answer to the question presented is clear. Petitioners contend that they are being held in federal custody in violation of the laws of the United States. No party questions the District Court's jurisdiction over petitioners' custodians. Cf. Braden, 410 U. S., at 495. Section 2241, by its terms, requires nothing more. We therefore hold that § 2241 confers on the District Court jurisdiction to hear petitioners' habeas corpus challenges to the legality of their detention at the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base.

https://www.loc.gov/item/usrep553723/

Boumediene v. Bush, 553 U.S. 723 (2008)

At 739:

The Government contends that noncitizens designated as enemy combatants and detained in territory located outside our Nation’s borders have no constitutional rights and no privilege of habeas corpus. Petitioners contend they do have cognizable constitutional rights and that Congress, in seeking to eliminate recourse to habeas corpus as a means to assert those rights, acted in violation of the Suspension Clause.

At 755:

As we did in Rasul, however, we take notice of the obvious and uncontested fact that the United States, by virtue of its complete jurisdiction and control over the base, maintains de facto sovereignty over this territory. See 542 U. S., at 480; id., at 487 (Kennedy, J., concurring in judgment).

19 posted on 09/05/2026 8:33:44 PM PDT by woodpusher
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The constitution is not a suicide pact.

As ksm noted happily that it seems to be.


20 posted on 09/06/2026 3:19:38 AM PDT by Chickensoup
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