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Posted on 12/10/2025 7:12:52 PM PST by thegagline
The United States would suffer a devasting defeat and lose its biggest aircraft carrier if it tried to stop China invading Taiwan, according to a top secret Pentagon report.
War games showed the U.S. would be overwhelmed by China's arsenal of around 600 hypersonic weapons, along with missiles and nuclear submarines.
The grim assessment, revealed by the New York Times, confirmed the conclusions of previous war games, but it also highlighted wider concerns about the future direction of the U.S. military and its continued reliance on outdated methods. ***
Ships like the $13 billion USS Gerald R. Ford - the largest aircraft carrier in the world - were often destroyed in scenarios gamed out for a U.S. defense of Taiwan.
*** The war in Ukraine has shown the fading power of traditional weapons including tanks, they will suggest.
The latest bombshell for the Pentagon comes after President Xi Jinping ordered his generals to be prepared for a possible invasion of Taiwan as early as 2027. ***
With the U.S. set to defend Taiwan, China could launch cyber attacks against American power and water networks. *** Secretary of War Pete Hegseth has previously said that 'we lose every time' in Pentagon simulations of a Taiwan conflict
Earlier this year, he said China is 'rehearsing for the real deal' and added: 'We are not going to sugarcoat it, the threat China poses is real and it could be imminent.'
*** A total of 26 war games scenarios were played out by CSIS.
In the worst-case scenario, busting the blockade cost the U.S. 21,000 casualties, 45 ships, an aircraft carrier, two submarines and over 1,000 aircraft.
China suffered 13,000 casualties and lost 42 submarines, nearly 100 ships and around 1,000 aircraft. ***
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I know they’re saying China has a lot of weapons. But frankly, the source for the weapons type and amount is coming straight from the Chinese. And they wouldn’t lie, would they?
CC
Can we tow Taiwan further from China? /Hank Johnson
Not by destroying our aircraft carriers when they can’t even float ONE of theirs. They are a copycat thieving deceptive population of grifters. Remember melamine? And they think they can get revenge on their own Opium addiction which led to a “Boxer Rebellion” which failed from insistence on taels of silver to balance the opium vs. tea trade for the then English Empire.
A lot more to this story then simply listing their attempts. The right person/people can dismantle their crap with proper focus and determination. The world is not their oyster, their population is one of oysters.
See: Gordon Chang. The paper wall panel and fakirism that is China’s “economy”. Paper burns well, just as tungsten does not sell as “gold”..
“China suffered 13,000 casualties and lost 42 submarines, nearly 100 ships and around 1,000 aircraft ....and one big F’n Dam.
Is this from War thunder?
Might tip over if we did. 🤡
What would happen then? That would be the end of China’s trade with the US, Japan, and probably the rest of the Anglosphere as well as Europe. That would mean utter economic ruin for them.
Yes-— a “Top Secret” Pentagon report.... which isn’t either one of the description. No puzzlement to the “you rikee speechee” crap coming out of Xi-land. In fact, Xi may no longer be around, even if he’s photo’d. The number one weakness of their “system”-— hordes of deceptive deviant wannabeew within their military hierarchy alone. Mao was a learning curve they never beat, apparently.
People are bugs in that “society”— and worth even less unless they are food which they were in the not too distant past.
Just learning about the former head of the Sturmabteilung’s ouster from the SA by Hitler- Stennes. He escaped to be military advisor to Chiang Kai Chek (amazing a Nazi German as Chiang’s aide de camp).
“In the worst-case scenario, busting the blockade cost the U.S. 21,000 casualties, 45 ships, an aircraft carrier, two submarines and over 1,000 aircraft.
China suffered 13,000 casualties and lost 42 submarines, nearly 100 ships and around 1,000 aircraft. ***”
But the blockade was busted and China defeated.
Even in the worst case scenario.
Don’t think it’s too Top Secret if the Daily Mail has it.
We only defeated Imperial Japan because it was a relatively small country and an island that could be easily blockaded.
China would be a much tougher nut to crack.
Sometimes I wonder if we should have been more accomodating to Imperial Japan, before the hardliners, like Tojo, took control of the government. But hindsight is 20/20.
But even during the war, it was pretty much accepted that ultimately Mao would prevail over Chiang Kai-Shek.
LOL
That was the plan. Put the US too deep in debt to build infrastructure, while build up China.
The 20th century was about allowing the socialist systems compete against each other to see who could win and China beat them all.
Are such reports now the "Surprise" in a Cracker Jack box?
Lets explore this, shall we?
Purely from a theoretical perspective, if the simulation showed that we WIN every time, that would mean less basis for more money for weapons, soldiers, R&D, etc.
This, hypothetically of course, would mean that the Pentagon has an incentive to create simulation where they LOSE.
Again…this is purely hypothetical. No government agency would rig a test to get more money. That would be unprecedented.
Do I really need the /sarc?
The Ukes have shown that surface drones beat large surface ships of all kinds.
Add in supersonic missiles and there is no further reason to build Capital Ships.
Thank God our carriers weren’t at Pearl on December 7th.
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