Posted on 11/20/2025 2:42:04 PM PST by janetjanet998
Ukraine has officially received from the American side a draft plan. We outline the fundamental principles that matter to our people. We agree to work on the plan's provisions in a way that would bring about a just end to the war.
In this context, allow me to make several critical points. 1-First, while Ukraine stands ready to engage in meaningful negotiations to end this war — including at the leaders’ level — our red lines are clear and unwavering. There will never be any recognition, formal or otherwise, of Ukrainian territory temporarily occupied by the Russian Federation as Russian. Our land is not for sale.
Ukraine will not accept any limits on its right to self-defense or on the size and capabilities of our Armed Forces. Nor will we tolerate any infringement on our sovereignty, including our sovereign right to choose the alliances we want to join. Any genuine peace process must respect a fundamental principle: nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine, and nothing about Europe without Europe.
And let me be equally clear: we will not reward the genocidal intent that underpins Russian aggression by undermining our identity, including our language.
2- Second, support for Ukraine is indispensable. Peace requires strengthened security and sustained financial assistance to Ukraine. Reinforcing Ukraine's defense capabilities is not an escalation — it is the only path to compelling Russia to engage constructively in international peace efforts. In this regard, we express profound gratitude to all partners and allies. This support is an investment in the rules-based international order and global peace.
3- Third, the Kremlin regime will not stop unless it is stopped through unyielding and concerted pressure. There is only one realistic path to ending this war: Russia must be compelled to retreat — economically, politically, and militarily.
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Ukraine doesn't get it...
Suit up and get thee to the Eastern Front, Kaja.
You’re stunning and brave.
Ukraine ping
Trump zeroed out aid. He has no leverage. The Ukrainians will listen to the Trump proposal, but so long as European aid continues, the country will fight, much as Russia relied on US aid to avoid military defeat in WW2.
Just as the Korean and Vietnam wars were largely ignored by Europe, the US is distancing itself from Ukraine. But Europe will likely continue funding Ukraine.
If Russia had invaded Canada, the US would be rocketing and strafing Russian troops. Europe might be gutless in giving Ukraine only a trickle of junkyard-bound gear, but it does recognize that a Russia with 40m additional people, Ukraine’s resources and a new springboard for invasion on Poland’s border is a much bigger threat. So it continues feeding Ukraine weapons through a straw.
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A negotiated settlement that allows Putin to claim victory by recognizing Russia’s claim to Ukrainian territory would reverse the progress President Trump made restoring the deterrence lost under Biden.
Standing with Ukraine is in America’s deep strategic interest.
“our red lines are clear and unwavering. There will never be any recognition, formal or otherwise, of Ukrainian territory temporarily occupied by the Russian Federation as Russian. Our land is not for sale. “
The bombing will continue until things change then.
People who think Ukraine should kill their own leader while they fight Russian aggression are - misguided at best.
We really have some kooky ideas on here, don’t we?
I see Mike Pompeo’s point but there is the reality of the situation and the reality is that Ukraine is running out of men, money and weapons
Without a major cash infusion things are going to be sporty come end of Q1 2026
If United States totally removes any military aid to Ukraine,the war will end within weeks. Europe has ignored military spending since WWII, letting Uncle Sam carry the burden. Europe can not defeat axis of Russia+China+NK+Iran
“The Azov’s in the military won’t accept it anyway”
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There are people on both sides with scores to settle. If you have lost a buddy to a drone, you want revenge. I’ve read that captured Ukrainian drone operators are being shot on the spot, ever if surrendering. Not good for recruitment.
I brought this up a few months back. Enough that soldiers are being attacked by drones. But when you take FPV video, add some wacky music, and make a comedy out of Russian deaths, it may come back to bite you.
In WWII, the machine gunner was in the same position. Just because you ran out of ammo, didn’t mean you could wave a white flag.
I read a few years ago actual interviews with the vets, and that’s how they saw it. The guy who’s been chewing up your platoon all afternoon isn’t going to make it back home. One vet said “Frank hated Germans. We knew if we sent him back with prisoners they’d never make it.”
Thx Zhang Fei.
The alternative is the elimination of the Ukrainian people.Europe wants to eliminate the Ukrainian people to take control of the land.
Europe has no such desire. It’s absurd.
Then why is Europe making it impossible for their own farmers to function.
Zeroing out aid does not mean you lose leverage.
Meaning you can’t reduce below zero.
But you can. You can start helping the enemy.
Zelensky knows his life span ends when the conflict ends.
Ukraine ping
Owen: [Zeroing out aid does not mean you lose leverage.
Meaning you can’t reduce below zero.
But you can. You can start helping the enemy.]
🙄 🙃
Speaking of marky mark ... did he disappear with his Zeeper friends?
That’s too extreme.
The newest Senate sanctions bill has been carefully crafted to only activate if Trump says yes. He certainly has said yes to advancing the legislation, because it provides him total control over it. Check the details.
He can refuse to allow it to engage, because it interferes with his efforts.
That’s called helping the other side.
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