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UN security council just now: Ukraine responds to Trumps Peace deal (sounds like a rejection)
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Posted on 11/20/2025 2:42:04 PM PST by janetjanet998

Ukraine has officially received from the American side a draft plan. We outline the fundamental principles that matter to our people. We agree to work on the plan's provisions in a way that would bring about a just end to the war.

In this context, allow me to make several critical points. 1-First, while Ukraine stands ready to engage in meaningful negotiations to end this war — including at the leaders’ level — our red lines are clear and unwavering. There will never be any recognition, formal or otherwise, of Ukrainian territory temporarily occupied by the Russian Federation as Russian. Our land is not for sale.

Ukraine will not accept any limits on its right to self-defense or on the size and capabilities of our Armed Forces. Nor will we tolerate any infringement on our sovereignty, including our sovereign right to choose the alliances we want to join. Any genuine peace process must respect a fundamental principle: nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine, and nothing about Europe without Europe.

And let me be equally clear: we will not reward the genocidal intent that underpins Russian aggression by undermining our identity, including our language.

2- Second, support for Ukraine is indispensable. Peace requires strengthened security and sustained financial assistance to Ukraine. Reinforcing Ukraine's defense capabilities is not an escalation — it is the only path to compelling Russia to engage constructively in international peace efforts. In this regard, we express profound gratitude to all partners and allies. This support is an investment in the rules-based international order and global peace.

3- Third, the Kremlin regime will not stop unless it is stopped through unyielding and concerted pressure. There is only one realistic path to ending this war: Russia must be compelled to retreat — economically, politically, and militarily.


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To: kiryandil
By saying there are lands occupied by Russia is recognition.

Ukraine doesn't get it...

21 posted on 11/20/2025 4:01:16 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: janetjanet998

Suit up and get thee to the Eastern Front, Kaja.

You’re stunning and brave.


22 posted on 11/20/2025 4:03:28 PM PST by kiryandil (No one in AZ that voted for Trump voted for Gallego )
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To: janetjanet998; marcusmaximus; Paul R.; Bruce Campbells Chin; PIF; familyop; MercyFlush; tet68; ...

Ukraine ping

Trump zeroed out aid. He has no leverage. The Ukrainians will listen to the Trump proposal, but so long as European aid continues, the country will fight, much as Russia relied on US aid to avoid military defeat in WW2.

Just as the Korean and Vietnam wars were largely ignored by Europe, the US is distancing itself from Ukraine. But Europe will likely continue funding Ukraine.

If Russia had invaded Canada, the US would be rocketing and strafing Russian troops. Europe might be gutless in giving Ukraine only a trickle of junkyard-bound gear, but it does recognize that a Russia with 40m additional people, Ukraine’s resources and a new springboard for invasion on Poland’s border is a much bigger threat. So it continues feeding Ukraine weapons through a straw.


23 posted on 11/20/2025 4:09:22 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: Sacajaweau

Mike Pompeo

@mikepompeo

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A negotiated settlement that allows Putin to claim victory by recognizing Russia’s claim to Ukrainian territory would reverse the progress President Trump made restoring the deterrence lost under Biden.

Standing with Ukraine is in America’s deep strategic interest.


24 posted on 11/20/2025 4:11:58 PM PST by janetjanet998 (Please don’t use google products, especially YouTube )
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To: janetjanet998

“our red lines are clear and unwavering. There will never be any recognition, formal or otherwise, of Ukrainian territory temporarily occupied by the Russian Federation as Russian. Our land is not for sale. “

The bombing will continue until things change then.


25 posted on 11/20/2025 4:17:10 PM PST by McGruff
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To: Jonty30

People who think Ukraine should kill their own leader while they fight Russian aggression are - misguided at best.


26 posted on 11/20/2025 4:18:01 PM PST by Williams (Thank God for the election of President Trump!)
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To: jacknhoo

We really have some kooky ideas on here, don’t we?


27 posted on 11/20/2025 4:18:59 PM PST by Williams (Thank God for the election of President Trump!)
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To: janetjanet998

I see Mike Pompeo’s point but there is the reality of the situation and the reality is that Ukraine is running out of men, money and weapons

Without a major cash infusion things are going to be sporty come end of Q1 2026


28 posted on 11/20/2025 4:29:49 PM PST by rdcbn1 (..when poets buy guns, tourist season is over................Walter R. Mead.l)
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands

If United States totally removes any military aid to Ukraine,the war will end within weeks. Europe has ignored military spending since WWII, letting Uncle Sam carry the burden. Europe can not defeat axis of Russia+China+NK+Iran


29 posted on 11/20/2025 4:37:28 PM PST by Bobbyvotes (Work is worship! .... Bhagavad Geeta)
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To: janetjanet998

“The Azov’s in the military won’t accept it anyway”

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There are people on both sides with scores to settle. If you have lost a buddy to a drone, you want revenge. I’ve read that captured Ukrainian drone operators are being shot on the spot, ever if surrendering. Not good for recruitment.

I brought this up a few months back. Enough that soldiers are being attacked by drones. But when you take FPV video, add some wacky music, and make a comedy out of Russian deaths, it may come back to bite you.

In WWII, the machine gunner was in the same position. Just because you ran out of ammo, didn’t mean you could wave a white flag.

I read a few years ago actual interviews with the vets, and that’s how they saw it. The guy who’s been chewing up your platoon all afternoon isn’t going to make it back home. One vet said “Frank hated Germans. We knew if we sent him back with prisoners they’d never make it.”


30 posted on 11/20/2025 4:42:49 PM PST by Not_Who_U_Think (`)
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To: Zhang Fei

Thx Zhang Fei.


31 posted on 11/20/2025 5:20:30 PM PST by SunkenCiv (NeverTrumpin' -- it's not just for DNC shills anymore -- oh, wait, yeah it is.)
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To: Williams

The alternative is the elimination of the Ukrainian people.Europe wants to eliminate the Ukrainian people to take control of the land.


32 posted on 11/20/2025 5:34:57 PM PST by Jonty30 (I've been diagnosed as being polemic and there is no cure. )
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To: Jonty30

Europe has no such desire. It’s absurd.


33 posted on 11/20/2025 5:38:00 PM PST by Williams (Thank God for the election of President Trump!)
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To: Williams

Then why is Europe making it impossible for their own farmers to function.


34 posted on 11/20/2025 5:42:10 PM PST by Jonty30 (I've been diagnosed as being polemic and there is no cure. )
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To: Zhang Fei

Zeroing out aid does not mean you lose leverage.

Meaning you can’t reduce below zero.

But you can. You can start helping the enemy.


35 posted on 11/20/2025 5:44:24 PM PST by Owen
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To: janetjanet998

Zelensky knows his life span ends when the conflict ends.


36 posted on 11/20/2025 5:44:50 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Owen; marcusmaximus; Paul R.; Bruce Campbells Chin; PIF; familyop; MercyFlush; tet68; BeauBo; ...

Ukraine ping

Owen: [Zeroing out aid does not mean you lose leverage.

Meaning you can’t reduce below zero.

But you can. You can start helping the enemy.]


If Trump starts helping Russia with weaponry or supplies, he will be impeached and removed. Ditto with Vance. He will finally have vindicated the people who claimed collusion with Russia.


37 posted on 11/20/2025 5:53:58 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands

🙄 🙃


38 posted on 11/20/2025 5:55:25 PM PST by Jane Long (Jesus is Lord!)
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To: kiryandil; Allegra

Speaking of marky mark ... did he disappear with his Zeeper friends?


39 posted on 11/20/2025 5:57:56 PM PST by Jane Long (Jesus is Lord!)
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To: Zhang Fei

That’s too extreme.

The newest Senate sanctions bill has been carefully crafted to only activate if Trump says yes. He certainly has said yes to advancing the legislation, because it provides him total control over it. Check the details.

He can refuse to allow it to engage, because it interferes with his efforts.

That’s called helping the other side.


40 posted on 11/20/2025 6:07:20 PM PST by Owen
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