Posted on 08/10/2025 10:16:52 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
Since President Trump retook office, many Ukrainians have worried a peace accord would be struck without them.
For nearly three years of the war in Ukraine, Washington’s rallying cry in backing a fight against a Russian invasion was “no negotiations about Ukraine without Ukraine.”
But when President Trump meets President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia in Alaska on Friday, the Ukrainians will not be there, barring any last-minute invitation. And Kyiv’s swift rejection of Mr. Trump’s declaration that he is already negotiating with Russia over what he vaguely called “land swaps,” with no mention of security guarantees or arms for Ukraine, underscores the risks for the Ukrainians.
It also carries political perils for Mr. Trump.
Ukraine’s fear for these past six months has been that Mr. Trump’s image of a “peace accord” is a deal struck directly between him and Mr. Putin — much as Franklin Roosevelt, Joseph Stalin and Winston Churchill divided up Europe at the Yalta conference in 1945. That meeting has become synonymous with historical debates over what can go wrong when great powers carve up the world, smaller powers suffer the consequences and free people find themselves cast under authoritarian rule.
Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelensky, himself invited such comparisons in a speech to his people hours after Mr. Trump raised the specter of deciding Ukraine’s fate in a one-on-one meeting in Alaska, territory that was once part of the Russian empire. (While Mr. Putin has made clear that he regards Ukraine as rightful Russian territory dating back to the days of Peter the Great, the Russian leader has not called for the reversal of the $7.2 million sale of Alaska to the United States in 1867, during a period of financial distress for the empire.)
“Ukrainians will not give their land to the occupier,” Mr. Zelensky...
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As I have been saying., “If you are not sitting at the table, you are on the menu.”
I understand Zelensky saying that they “won’t give up territory”, but I imagine they are telling him it’s time to put this to an end and walk away with the “L.”
Whether the people in the occupied areas will go along with it is another story.
The only reason you have any future at all is because of the USA. The EU gives a pittance..and they get paid back.
They get a chance to say yes or no.
That’s likely all.
‘...Ukrainians have worried a peace accord would be struck without them.”
They have jus stepped off the cliff. How in the world can they be forced to peace? They are doing no less fighting than Russia is. And if Russia quits, and has taken over Ukraine land, they would still fight for it. So what they are saying is that they will have no input into a final decree and they will have to stop fighting. If they were a legitimate country, they would just continue to fight for their property. Besides, they were pretty dam brave in 1991 when they thought they could get a free pass.
wy69
In slowly losing this war, Ukraine Ukraine SHOULD fear losing say over its future. Zelenski, Newland, et al. should have thought of that before 2014.
Giving Russia a pretext for war was a bad idea.
Such a long and sketchy historical relationship between Moskow and Kyiv/Kiev.
I applaud PDJT for being the arbiter of “no more dying”.
I cannot expect any less of Mssr. Putin than to desire the repatriation of Kyev, again.
I can see no other position for Mssr. Zelendkyy, than that of a fishmonger’s wife.
America has done more for Ukraine in the shadow of the Russian Republic, than we did being in the shadow of the USSR, and Czechloslovakia in the ‘60,’s.
Note: To Mssr Z of Ukraine.
S.T.F.U., take your lumps like a man, stop mobilizing/press gang your people for YOUR war, swallow the crow of defeat, and live out your time in silence.
The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must. Of the gods we believe, and of men we know, that by a necessary law of their nature they rule wherever they can.
He who pays the piper calls the tune Vlad.
Ukraine never had a say over its future.
It was never even a country before 1991.
Ukraine was always going to be a controlled colony of either Russia and its oligarchs, or the Western (particularly EU-UK) Deep-state, NATO and its oligarchs.
That’s what is being decided now.
It shouldn't take a genius to figure out why people are nervous about this.
No matter what Trump and Putin have a handshake over, Zelensky can't ratify and impose it by himself.
The Ukrainian constitution does not allow for the President or Parliament to surrender territory like this.
Big difference.
In 1938, the Germans were not in the Sudetenland, when they met in Munich.
The Russians already have the land.
We’ve already seen that at the urging of the globalists and the Deep State saboteurs in the US, Zelensky is a provocateur. What he does is sabotage all efforts to end the war. You don’t allow a hothead to do negotiations when serious things are at stake. You do the negotiations and then you present them to the hothead within a padded room, with the understanding that he will emerge a week later with a simple “yes” or “no” response. And in those 7 days you make sure he spends some time with more level-headed thinkers.
After the antics Zelensky has already done, I think everybody already instinctively knows this.
What Trump has done is let Putin know we’re not messing around; they need to get dead serious that they will stop the war if they are allowed to keep the ground they’ve already captured. No more killing; just freeze the checkers board where it’s at right now.
Sounds like that’s what JD Vance is saying the idea is.
Of course, there is the fear that Putin will agree to whatever he has to, to stop the economic sanctions Trump is threatening. But if Putin accepts freezing the board and Zelensky doesn’t, then the economic pressure will go to Ukraine instead of Russia. Zelensky has to know this. And if he doesn’t he needs to be MADE to know it.
But if he is allowed to come in and sabotage the negotiations and keep Putin from being able to agree to anything, then Trump will seem bound to carry out sanctions on Russia. This would be the whole incentive for Zelensky to even be at this meeting. He should not be there; he is a bad actor as we’ve seen many times before.
You did that Sonny Z when you poked the Bear. What an idiot.
I know it was not only you Zelenskyy or Poroshenko, as much as trusting our Globalist NeoCons.
Unborn Ukrainian babies join the chat...
Here’s to realpolitik.
........”S.T.F.U., take your lumps like a man, “
Agree with STFU but I doubt he’s a real man.
“Whether the people in the occupied areas will go along with it is another story.”
Allow the free migration of people and assets for 6 months.
“The Ukrainian constitution does not allow for the President or Parliament to surrender territory like this. “
It sounds like they have regime change baked into their constitution.
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