Posted on 06/12/2025 11:35:54 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
In the midst of the riots that have raged across Los Angeles in response to the Trump administration’s raid to apprehend criminals, Mexican flags have emerged as a prominent emblem of the rioters’ lawless defiance.
While the New York Times gushed that the rioters’ usage of the flag represented “pride in their heritage,” most Americans saw it for what it was: a symbol of conquest. But many leftists are now making that very argument, that it represents a reclamation by Mexico of land supposedly “stolen” by the United States.
This week, Gerardo Fernández Noroña, the president of the Mexican Senate, adopted that argument and ran with it. Smugly describing a visit to Trump Tower in early 2017, just before Trump took office for his first term, Noroña said, “I was at Trump Tower, 16 days before President-elect Trump took office for the first time. I said, ‘Sure, we’ll build the wall and we’ll pay for it, but we’ll do it according to the map of Mexico in 1830.'”
He then held up a map printout of what is today the lower 48 states, showing the borders in 1830. Mexico controlled what is modern California, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, parts of Colorado, and Texas before the Texas Revolution in 1836 and the conclusion of the Mexican-American War in 1848. After the annexation of Texas in 1845 and the signing of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848, all of that land became part of the U.S.
“We were dispossessed of those territories, we were settled there before the nation now known as the United States. The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo established rights for the people settled in those territories that were not respected,” Noroña continued. “With this geography, how can the U.S. talk about liberating Los...”
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They raise the flag of the country they left and will create an insurrection to avoid going back to and burn the American flag the country they chose to go to and will do anything to avoid leaving.
These illegal aliens are invading enemy combatants (or traitors) and should be permanently dealt with by U.S. military combat forces.
Notably, the Mexican Congress approved the treaty on the basis that Mexico had never been in full possession of the territories that were ceded, and that most of that land was either not populated or populated by hostile indigenous tribes. Mexico also was facing disintegration at the time, with other provinces declaring independence from the central authority.
Funny how I’ve been saying this on FR for 25 years and getting bored yawns and accusations of being over the top.
Don’t worry, immigration isn’t a problem, they’ll assimilate, we need the landscapers...blah blah
Said by people from East of the Divide who haven’t got a clue what Mexico and Mexicans are like.
Also remind them that the Mexicans stole it from the Indians.
The Mexicans stole it from the Spanish who stole it from the Indians.
The Mexicans stole it from the Spanish who stole it from the Indians.
who stole it from other Indians....and so on.....
When the Spanish first came to the newly discovered half of the planet to rape and plunder, they instructed the natives to collect gold for them, and if they didn’t meet expectations it was common practice to remove the soles of their feet with a machete. There’s your conquering ‘civilization’.
...and so on and so forth and what have you.
Then, of course, we purchased it and the U.S. gov't also paid American citizens debts owed to them by the Mexican government.
This "stolen" land talking point is vastly overused and factually inaccurate in lots of other parts of this country as well.
I wouldn’t call them invaders for the reason that certain parties in the U.S. has used the law to incentivize them coming here illegally, and taken other steps to make it happen.
Real Mexicans are “Indians” themselves. They really are central American indigenous types of Otomi first then Aztec, if they are truly from the valley of Mexico before the Mayans integrated from the Yucatan Peninsula or Olmec from the coastal lands. Most are mixed with at least 75% indigenous. The upper class Mexicans are all 50% or more European Spaniards mostly from the northern part of Spain the Lyon , Madrid and Galicia area’s with a smaller amount of Basque country folks too. They look nothing like the indios Mexicans at all.
California was full of North American indigenous types closer in DNA to Apache, Navajo and the other Plains indigenous people. They are nothing like the central American indigenous types being tall lean and much more Asian looking in the facial structures with the eyes a dead giveaway having almond eyes not gaijin round eyes.
Those of us of North American indigenous can easily tell the difference when we meet a central American indigenous or a real.Mexican. My two types are Comanche and First Nations of the PacNW have 40% by DNA combined. I look nothing like a Mexican being tall pale and fully furry only my eyes gave the almond shape which is the dead giveaway for the Y chromosome from the land bridge Asian First Nations people’s.
until you reach the space aliens.
Very interesting and informative. Thanks!
If Gerardo Fernández Noroña believes Mexico would win a war against the USA he might want a tall glass of STFU with his burritos. Come and take it beyotch.
Mexico is a horrible neighbor. Its problems are deeper than a lack of territory.
...and so on and so forth and what have you.
And scooby dooby dooby! (RIP Sly!)
Tejanos hate border jumpers. Especially the 8+ generation Tejanos that fought against Santa Anna and won or the Spanish colonials who have been in Texas since the early 1700s who correctly say they didn’t cross the border they were here before there was borders it was all new Spain and their domain for hundreds of years prior to any other Europeans getting to Texas.
Very few people from Mexico settled in California during the period of Spanish rule. A number of them were of mixed race (part African), like Pio Pico. Mexico controlled the Southwest only from 1821 on and their degree of control was minimal.
Most of the more recent Mexican immigrants have no connection to the Mexicans who were in the present-day US befor 1848.
Mexico agreed to the Gadsden Purchase in 1853--Congress actually cut down the amount of territory for fear it might become part of a future slave state.
Changing history again.
The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo officially ended the Mexican–American War (1846–1848). It was signed on 2 February 1848 in the town of Guadalupe Hidalgo.
After the defeat of its army and the fall of the capital in September 1847, Mexico entered into peace negotiations with the U.S. envoy, Nicholas Trist. The resulting treaty required Mexico to cede 55 percent of its territory including the present-day states of California, Nevada, Utah, most of Colorado, New Mexico and Arizona, and a small portion of Wyoming. Mexico also relinquished all claims for Texas and recognized the Rio Grande as the southern boundary of Texas. The representatives of the Mexican government that signed the treaty were Luis P. Cuevas, Bernardo Couto, and Migl. Atristain.
In turn, the U.S. government paid Mexico $15 million “in consideration of the extension acquired by the boundaries of the United States” and agreed to pay debts owed to American citizens by the Mexican government. Mexicans in areas annexed by the U.S. could relocate within Mexico’s new boundaries or receive American citizenship and full civil rights.
The United States ratified the treaty on 10 March and Mexico on 19 May. The ratifications were exchanged on 30 May, and the treaty was proclaimed on 4 July 1848.
The U.S. Senate ratified the treaty by a vote of 38–16. The opponents of this treaty were led by the Whigs, who had opposed the war and rejected manifest destiny in general, and rejected this expansion in particular. The amount of land gained by the United States from Mexico was further increased due to the Gadsden Purchase of 1853, which ceded parts of present-day southern Arizona and New Mexico to the United States.
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