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Why is the Fed quietly buying billions in bonds — and hoping nobody notices? How the Fed’s ‘stealth QE’ is bullish for bitcoin, gold and commodities.
marketwatch ^ | Charlie Garcia

Posted on 05/17/2025 2:26:19 PM PDT by NoLibZone

The U.S. Federal Reserve just pulled off something stealthy — over four days last week, without fanfare, the Fed vacuumed up $43.6 billion in U.S. Treasurys. That’s $8.8 billion in long-dated 30-year bonds on May 8 alone, plus another $34.8 billion earlier in the week. Not exactly small change.

Quietly returning to the quantitative-easing trough isn’t standard Fed housekeeping — it’s like a bank robber returning to the scene because he forgot his car keys.

Let’s talk straight: This isn’t tightening. It’s stealth easing. It’s monetary policy on tiptoes. Some traders have begun to notice, and smart investors should too.

Commodity traders, in particular, have a nose for monetary sleight-of-hand. Gold GC00 +0.57% , the ultimate financial cynic’s metal, has risen sharply since early 2024. Gold doesn’t believe in politicians, central bankers or economists — even the Ivy League types who wave their hands and promise stability. It believes numbers.

But this isn’t just a U.S. game. China has jumped into the gold pit too, and brings a bigger shovel. China’s central bank just cranked open the vault doors by dramatically raising gold-import quotas, letting local banks swap U.S. dollars DX00 -0.10% directly for bullion.

(Excerpt) Read more at marketwatch.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agitprop; brics; btc; debt; deficit; gold; goldbugs; inflation; ntsa; qe
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To: EnderWiggin1970

Bitcoin was trading at under $30,000 not long ago from $60,000+ level before that. That is too volatile for my taste. Gold prices are much more stable and have held up well against inflation.

I agree, Treasury bonds only guarantee return of face value of bond at maturity. But in the meanwhile those also guarantee interest paid every 6 months. So, if you buy a 20 year bond currently, you are guaranteed 5% interest on your initial purchase for 20 years. That computes total more than double number of dollars on initial purchase, during holding period of 20 years. Nobody knows how high inflation will be in future.


41 posted on 05/17/2025 5:31:49 PM PDT by Bobbyvotes
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To: Bobbyvotes

Yes that and my biggest regret is not buying gold at $35/oz when it became legal.
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You still have time….when Gold hits $5 K an ounce, or even $10K, you will think todays price ( 3,200 in US dollars) was a bargain.


42 posted on 05/17/2025 6:21:35 PM PDT by delta7
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To: Bobbyvotes

Gold prices are much more stable and have held up well against inflation.
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That is the definition of Money, and holding it has no counter party risk ( devaluation, default, can’t go bankrupt, etc…).


43 posted on 05/17/2025 6:26:03 PM PDT by delta7
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To: citizen; tired&retired
I don’t know the financial world but this sounds like the US gov’t taking $Billions out of one pocket and buying US treasuries to shove into the other pocket.

IOW, the US treasuries aren’t selling...
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Yeah its is called "monetizing the debt"....something that past Fed chair Bernanke said we would never do. (His quote was 2012 or so).

44 posted on 05/17/2025 6:42:07 PM PDT by Drago
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To: NoLibZone

It’s a crooked twist on how to “get your self” out of debt.


45 posted on 05/17/2025 6:53:37 PM PDT by aspasia
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To: Drago

The real trick would be using the bond holdings to fulfill capitalization requirements. “See, I have assets, these 10 trillion IOUs to myself are my assets.”


46 posted on 05/17/2025 7:05:29 PM PDT by Justa (Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people....)
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To: Bobbyvotes

You should buy some out of the money puts.


47 posted on 05/17/2025 7:10:02 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (TANSTAAFL)
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To: delta7

My investments are keeping up with inflation unless we get Biden Jr as next president. Besides bonds pay interest which pays for living expenses. If inflation goes higher, new bonds will pay higher interest.


48 posted on 05/17/2025 8:43:28 PM PDT by Bobbyvotes
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To: delta7

“You still have time….when Gold hits $5 K an ounce, “

In 2014, you predicted gold would hit $5k in 2015.

Now, 10 years later, we are not half way there in today’s dollars.

Socrates stinks.


49 posted on 05/17/2025 10:29:37 PM PDT by TexasGator ('11\1I11111111111.1'11.'11/'~~'111./.)
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To: NoLibZone

Just Wait until AI figure out how to turn Iron into gold.


50 posted on 05/18/2025 12:28:02 AM PDT by Revel
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To: citizen

The USA is leveraged far too far.


51 posted on 05/18/2025 1:32:50 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings )
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To: Toddsterpatriot

On paper what you are saying is true. That’s why auction buying agents are used.

What you are saying is true in form, but not in substance.


52 posted on 05/18/2025 1:36:48 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings )
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Last I read, the Fed is sitting on a huge unrealized loss on long term Treasury Bonds.

The loss was $1.06 Trillion at the end of 2024.


53 posted on 05/18/2025 1:40:36 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings )
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Toddsterpatriot said;

“ The PE ratio of the S&P 500 is much lower than in 1929 and much, much lower than in 2000.”

Why would Toddsterpatriot say that?

Jan 1, 1933 17.19
Jan 1, 1932 13.99
Jan 1, 1931 17.00
Jan 1, 1930 13.94
Jan 1, 1929 17.77
Jan 1, 1928 15.47
Jan 1, 1927 10.90

Jan 1, 2025 † 28.45
Jan 1, 2024 25.01
Jan 1, 2023 22.82
Jan 1, 2022 23.11

Jan 1, 2001 27.55
Jan 1, 2000 29.04
Jan 1, 1999 32.92
Jan 1, 1998 24.29

https://www.multpl.com/s-p-500-pe-ratio/table/by-year


54 posted on 05/18/2025 4:03:06 AM PDT by misanthrope (Deranged, sinister, deplorable troll)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Why I need to gamble? Already getting much more interest than I need for living expenses.


55 posted on 05/18/2025 4:50:46 AM PDT by Bobbyvotes
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To: tired&retired
That’s why auction buying agents are used.

What is an auction buying agent?

56 posted on 05/18/2025 10:46:05 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (TANSTAAFL)
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To: tired&retired

That’s true.


57 posted on 05/18/2025 10:48:21 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (TANSTAAFL)
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To: misanthrope
The Wall Street Journal says the current PE ratio is 23.82

https://www.wsj.com/market-data/stocks/peyields

From what I've seen, the PE ratio in 1929 was above 30 and over 40 during the Dotcom Bubble.

58 posted on 05/18/2025 11:06:34 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (TANSTAAFL)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

It’s where you use a third party to purchase something and then you purchase it from them.

As long as the Fed is paying a premium price on the secondary market, there is no need to purchase at the primary auction.

Bill Clinton used to use the Currency Stabilization Fund to sell gold futures in order to suppress the price of gold. He almost got burned until Tony Blair bailed him out by announcing a large sale of gold that put the price below the futures exercise price. Blair never sold the gold.

Then Bill Clinton changed the computation of the Cost of Living Index to allow substitutions. Inflation figures have been manipulated ever since.


59 posted on 05/18/2025 11:08:09 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings )
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To: tired&retired
It’s where you use a third party to purchase something and then you purchase it from them.

All the Fed's purchases and sales are with Primary Dealers.

As long as the Fed is paying a premium price on the secondary market,

Why would they pay a premium?

Bill Clinton used to use the Currency Stabilization Fund to sell gold futures

Link?

Tony Blair bailed him out by announcing a large sale of gold that put the price below the futures exercise price

Futures don't have an exercise price.

60 posted on 05/18/2025 11:13:11 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (TANSTAAFL)
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