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Interesting.
When I was a little lad, I was fascinated and inspired by stories with wolves in them--notably including Peter and the Wolf. They seemed a powerful, intelligent, wonderful, way-cool animal. I drew pictures of them and read about them, and I was glad they could be found in the wild again in places where they had been extinct.
Today, as a grandfather of many children, while I'm glad we did not exterminate wolves, I do appreciate that farmers with livestock and fathers of small children have a point when they say that while wolves are magnificent in many ways, they have no desire to take them on as neighbors.
I ran into a large Gray wolf running across a road while living in Montana. Very impressive animals. For some reason I have an attachment to the carnivors.
Came within 50 yards of a wolf walking down a sandy road to where I was hunting. Had its head down thought it was a coyote I was debating shooting it, but when I put the scope on it I realized it was a wolf. It got to within 10-15 yards and I quietly said you need to get out of here. Its head snapped up, it looked at me turned and calmly walked away. Magnificent animal, where there is one there is a pack nearby.
. I’m sure ranchers share opinion < sarcasm>
My son thinks the main reason space aliens haven’t contacted us is ‘any species that keeps carnivores as pets is too insane to be worth contacting!’
Tell that to French shepherds.
According to Dr. Valerius Geist, one hunter v. a committed wolf pack presents very poor odds of survival, even with full auto. Our best option for peaceful coexistence is with hunting sufficient to make them avoid people. Else, attacks on people are a matter of time and habituation.
Val was a dear friend. I miss him.
Somehow, and I cannot figure out how, that makes sense.
I don’t exactly want wolves as neighbors, but they’re definitely better looking and more intelligent than some of mine.
Plus, I’ve always liked animals better than people. My family excepted. Every single person, going back decades, has had a dog or a cat, sometimes more than one. My daughter has four terrific dogs. When I lived in a house on a fenced-in acre, I had a dog and two cats, all got along famously. Down to one cat now, and feed a stray in the neighborhood every night.
NOT going to feed an illegal.
Wolves are magnificent creatures, but they need to be able to roam. They do not need to be near humans. It is not good for us or them. Packs need to be managed just like deer herds in populated areas. There is enough wild game around here that we do not often see wolves. That's why it was so cool to see one.
A pack nearby?
Hope you were carrying a rapid pump shotgun!
I’ll bet the kids at the school bus stop would really get a kick out of seeing a pack.
we have wolves in the area around the Carpathian mountains where I live - I’ve actually seen a couple while walking around.
A lot of people don’t like them as they are threatening to sheep etc. - and yes, that they are, however if we just keep more caution, there is a way to let them thrive alongside us
The farmers I’ve met who have lost lifestock to them DO share the opinion that wolves are magnificent animals. Yet at the same time, they don’t want them close to their livestock.
One can have both opinions at the same time
“Kill them within the law, fine, but I don’t condone animal cruelty.
Wolves are magnificent creatures, but they need to be able to roam. They do not need to be near humans. It is not good for us or them. Packs need to be managed just like deer herds in populated areas. There is enough wild game around here that we do not often see wolves. That’s why it was so cool to see one.”
I agree
Valerius Geist was a wonderful scientist who could change his opinion when confronted with evidence.
It would be nice if there were more like him.
He was quintessentially fearless and curious, one of the few scientists who'd seek my opinions (I was reviewing his last book discussing the observations of Cabeza de Vaca, now never to be published). It was a huge honor for him to mention our project specifically in his keynote speeches.
My wife’s nephew used to raise beautiful big dogs. Everyone in his town thought they were beautiful and friendly.
Then they found the dogs where HALF WOLF!
The city went into a panic till he got rid of them.
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