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Posted on 04/27/2025 12:39:51 AM PDT by McGruff
A peace proposal by the Trump administration that includes recognizing Russian authority over Crimea shocked Ukrainian officials, who say they will not accept any formal surrender of the peninsula, even though they expect to concede the territory to the Kremlin, at least temporarily.
Giving up the land that was illegally annexed by Russia in 2014 is also politically and legally impossible, according to experts. It would require a change to the Ukrainian constitution and a nationwide vote, and it could be considered treason. Lawmakers and the public are firmly opposed to the idea.
“It doesn’t mean anything,” said Oleksandr Merezkho, a lawmaker with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s party. “We will never recognize Crimea as part of Russia.”
Unlike a territorial concession, a formal surrender would permanently relinquish Crimea and abandon the hope that Ukraine could regain it in the future.
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Elements of Trump’s peace proposal would see the U.S. formally recognizing Crimea as Russian and de facto accepting Moscow’s rule over occupied Ukrainian territories, according to a senior European official who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive diplomatic discussions.
Russia has had it for 11 years, and they’re just now demanding it back as part of a peace deal, after they’ve drained the taxpayers of this country dry? They can go pound salt.
Treaty of 1783.
Crimea belongs to Russia.
Zelensky is talking Semantics.
I worked for a company which made unfair policies and then when you wanted fair treatment, they said their ‘hands were tied’ because of the policy....that they made.
The Ukraine is doing that. Zelensky had a decree in 2022 which said it was illegal for anyone to negotiate with Russia. And then Zelensky rested on that decree as if his hands were tied. But he himself made that decree.
They’ve done the same thing with their constitution. They wrote it to prevent them ever giving up land - so the rest of the world just has to give them what they want because, after all, the Ukrainian Constitution, which they wrote, says so.
Does that include the Crimea River?
So long as US taxpayers are paying for retirement benefits of Ukraine govt workers, they want to keep the war going.
OK that’s fine. We Americans have had enough of this. If they refuse to recognize reality we’ll just walk away from this mess and let them deal with it. Good luck.
Isn’t that the way it’s supposed to work? LOL.
“The Oonga-Bunga tribe cannot give up these ancestral lands. They were given to us by the Sun God on the same day he lit his giant lamp in the sky!”
...Until they run out of military-age Ukrainians.
Which at the rate they're going....
Who gave Crimea to Ukraine in the first place , and why?
I always liked the joe cocker cover
You do realise that what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander?
Russia rewrote its constitution to legitimise the annexation of five entire Ukrainian regions - (including entire cities it hasn’t even put boots into yet) in order to make it a “reality” that Ukraine can’t get them back.
It did that despite having Russian signatures on at least half a dozen involate agreements since 1975 avowing to respect the “independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity” of its neighbours. With the collapse of the USSR and Warsaw Pact, Belovezha Accords, those agreements included Ukraine.
President Trump would be playing the same dick move if he amended the US Constitution to legitimise the annexation of Canada or Greenland in.
You can’t cry foul for Ukraine saying, “if Russia going to play a dick move like that, we can do it too.”
Ukraine’s constitutional position is at least defensible under UN Charter rules and precedent. North and South Korea are not obliged to recognise the ‘occupation’ of each other. Cyprus is the same; Greece and Turkey haven’t been compelled to concede to each other. Ditto Israel and Palestine, occupied territories. And so on.
The resultant status quo doesn’t force the international community to resolve the objection, it simply ensures the settled international position doesn’t legitimise the illegal occupation unless the occupied state rescinds its claim.
Russia’s annexations are illegitimate under international law no matter which legalistic stunts Moscow pulls to legitimise its actions domestically. Therefore it’s not just correct for Ukraine to recognise the occupation as a violation, it’s irrational for the USA to side with the occupier. If even Russia’s biggest ally, China isn’t prepared to legitimise Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, why should the USA?
Combine this with the fact that the Russians only seem to be interested in taking the Eastern part of the Ukraine. So most of the fighting is done in the static line of trenches and people in 80% of the country have not felt the full weight of the war yet.
Add in a major world wide propaganda effort to support the war and the Ukrainian people simply do not realize how they have lost the war and will soon face the full hardships and consequences of being a defeated country on the losing side of a war.
So most Ukrainians have a bit of a false sense of normalcy because they have intentionally been shielded from the misery and other consequences of the war by Zelensky’s foreign backers in order to maintain some semblance of public support for their proxy war. In fact, the threat of losing this financial aid is keeping a lot of people on board with the war effort because people realize that once the war stops, so does the welfare money that pays their paychecks to float the Ukrainian economy.
In essence, the Democrats and their EU allies have used the same welfare trap strategy they use to keep minorities and the "poor" dependent and under control to keep the Ukrainian people dependent on their proxy war and under Zelensky's control.
It's so bad that the Ukrainians have been actively planning to build Europe's largest mega ski resort using foreign war aid money.
Unfortunately, the US and EU aid money is drying up and so is the supply of foreign weapons stockpiles and Ukrainian soldiers that have kept the Russians pinned down in the trenches for the last year or two.
Sadly, the misery of the war and the Ukrainian peoples realization of their defeat are several months behind their need to face reality and stop the war immediately before their increasing weakness leads to more death and leading to military defeat and capitulation as the Russians move to exploit the Ukrainian weakness.
i think you are right. Since at least pre war world 2 times we as a nation have refused to accept the annexation of parts of one country by the second aggressor nation. We should stick to that principled position whatever the peace treaty says or who retains control of crimea
When he was hiding in his bunker in Berlin, Hitler should have thought of that one instead of relying on a Steiner counter attack that never happened.
He could have just told the allies that the German Constitution did not allow the Red Army to enter Berlin so that would have been the end of that.
Guess USA needs to give Texas and California back to Mexico.
The Treaty of 1783 formally handed over the Tatar ruled Crimean peninsula to the Russian empire.
In 1917 the USSR declared that it was explicitly NOT a successor state to the Russian empire, thereby relinquishing all liabilities and land ownership.
From 1921 to 1944 this was the autonomous Crimean ASSR, part if the USSR.
From 1956 to 2014 it was de facto and de jure part of first Ukraine SSR and then the Ukrainian republic.
In 1991 the Russian federation declared itself the successor state to the Russian SSR, but not to the Russian empire.
This means that Crimea does not belong historically to the Russian federation as it is not a successor state to the Russian empire.
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