Note the date.
Posted on 09/13/2024 1:58:20 AM PDT by RandFan
The headline in this morning’s Kommersant newspaper captured the drama.
“Vladimir Putin draws his red line.”
Will the West cross it? And, if it does, how will Russia respond?
Speaking in St Petersburg, President Putin sent a clear warning to the West: don’t allow Ukraine to use your long-range missiles to strike Russian territory.
Moscow, he said, would view that as the “direct participation” of Nato countries in the war in Ukraine.
“It would substantially change the very essence, the nature of the conflict,” the Kremlin leader continued.
“This will mean that Nato countries, the USA and European states, are fighting with Russia.”
He claimed that, for missile launches into Russia, Ukraine would require data from Western satellites and that only servicemen from Nato member states would be able to “input flight missions into these missile systems”.
(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...
Just as I thought, the international military industrial complex controls both Russia and Nato.
They all want a war so badly. The powers that be get rich, and they increase control.
A Red Horse
What? I spent time in Ukraine. It’s not a peaceful nice place. It’s a cesspool of depravity and a wef (NWO) puppet. If you can’t acknowledge that, then you’re not being honest.
Dozens of ukes work in the camp I’ve been staying at. You should talk to them. They all blame zelensky and the west for their woes.
At some point these hollow threats will become reality. Our country is intent on spurring this on “protecting” a non-NATO country. The only dog I have in this hunt is doing my part to ensure my family is protected as much as possible from what is coming. Our government wants this and is salivating at the deaths of more and more humans, doesn’t matter to the MIC if those dead are Americans. our government consistently stokes combat in countries all over the world thinking we are immune to an attack on our soil. I believe in my gut that we will be attacked on our soil before the end of my lifetime.
Gone are the diplomats and military people who reacted in sheer terror to the events of the cuban missile crisis. Up until the Biden Admin, none of the nuclear power nations ever entertained firing weapons of Mutually Assured Destruction.
This decision was going to happen in 2022, when the Biden people were talking openly about winning a limited nucear conflict just before Christmas, and it took a few days but abated. However, just like the conflict itself, the American people have never party to the political calculation and were certianly never consulted on the conflict.
Gone too are the days when both sides were careful. Now the United States is dependent upon the restraint of President Putin, as President Biden has repeatedly committed acts that the world knew would bring nuclear war. Crossing the USA’s red lines and projection of them onto Russia.
NATO and Ukriane have committed acts of war. The rules are different for Super Powers. Super Powers have nuclear weapons and are entitled to use them, in fact it is expected that they will use them.
Biden should be impeached. Everyone in his administration should be impeached and arrested by order of the Congress and Senate.
When the missiles hit US Defense Industry facilites, the United States and Britan can only sit and watch, knowing they are decided that nuclear weapons cannot be used to retalitate against Russia, RIGHT?
The reason Washington and London are doing this is because Ukriane has lost the war. They are being crushed. They need negotiations to keep their rotten reputations intact.
Note the date.
canuck_conservative: You mean like what Russia has been doing to Ukrainian cities for the last 2 years?
Was the first thing that I noticed, too.
Regards,
You have never gotten thru the western firewall. This war was because of Ukraine engaging in ethenic cleansing of Russians, their culture, their language and doing it with bombs. If the CIA had not of used the Ukrainian Bandaras Nazi’s there might have not been a war resulting from the coup. NAZI’S ARE VERBOTEN for a reason, they don’t play nice.
Ahem! I believe that it was Russia that started this Special Military Operation war - by invading Ukraine.
Regards,
Guys like you make it impossible to end a war until all the the country is destroyed like Germany and Japan in WWII.
The west is signaling negotiations. Russia said that boat sailed while Uke’s are in Kursk.
NATO seeing their investment dry up (Die UP) escalates to save a defeated Uke military.
Yup, guys like you would argue Germany was still fighting the war into the early 1950s when the occasional GI was killed by the hold outs.
So, grumbling Ukrainians in a camp are your oracles? Ask them if they prefer a Russian victory.
Ukraine bombed cities in the Donbass region before Russia got involved. Washington wanted a war. You don’t put Nazi’s in power, unless of course you are Nazi-enablers like Obama/Biden. Biden talking about his own corruption in 2014 and the world seeing the Nazi rise in Ukraine was a precurser to the FACISM that is happening in the US today.
First Chechen War, 1994–1997.
Second Chechen War, 1999–2000.
Russo-Georgian War, 2008.
Ukraine war 2014
“...then why aren’t Putin and the Russians holding a victory parade in Red Square?”
I did not say the war was over. You don’t have victory parades while a war is still being fought. You did not know that?
“In truth, they started the war”
Can’t get over your self-righteousness. Self-righteousness never won a war.
“...and are losing, with far greater casualties due to Russia being the attacker and declaring “red lines” that cannot credibly be enforced.”
Russia does have a red line and it involves nuclear weapons. You want to push them to see if they use them, in any capacity?
Still can’t get over the winning/losing. Ukraine is probably finished for good, even if the Russians suddenly pack up and go home. Do you know what a pyhrric victory is?
Mark Steyn writes that the Ukrainian nation will probably be re-populated by Africans from sub-Sahara.
Most every expert I have seen say the Ukrainian losses are much more severe.
Why do you insist on believing the Biden administration and the deep state ghouls?
They have acknowledged that they do not have the ability to strike Russia in Ukraine and force them out.
They say their only hope is to use US and NATO supplied long range missiles to escalate the conflict with advanced weapons and expand it to Russia and bring wide spread destruction to Russia's civilian population centers to erode Russian support for the war and Putin himself.
I'm fundamentally opposed to using American long range missiles to attack any target in Russia and could not be more opposed to the US supporting a Neo Nazi style V Weapon campaign against Russian civilian targets
I would try to explain why using American missiles to attack Russian civilian targets is a very bad and dangerous course of action for the US but you are way past reason , rational thought to listen
Only idiots think that America is immune to an attack on our own soil — and that our enemies should be left to plot against the US and her allies unhindered.
“What dumb comments ... if Ukraine can still capture large areas of Russian territory and launch strikes on Moscow, then Ukraine is still very much alive!”
Dumb comments???
You need to pull you head out of your ass if you think that Zelensky can accomplish what Napoleon and the Third Reich could not do — successfully invade Russia.
You really believe that a nuclear armed Russia is going to lie down a allow Zelensky to come in and take them over?
And with what?
Zelensky is sending his men into a death trap.
If it is OK for Russia to attack Ukraine why is it not OK for Ukraine to attack Russia?
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