Posted on 07/02/2024 8:33:44 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
John Dean, former White House counsel for the Nixon administration, said he believes former President Nixon “would have survived” the Watergate scandal if the Supreme Court’s immunity ruling issued Monday, which largely shields former presidents from criminal prosecution for actions in office, existed at the time.
Asked what would’ve happened with Nixon if the immunity ruling was in place during the fallout from Watergate, Dean pointed to Justice Amy Coney Barrett, who split from the other conservative justices on a portion of the majority opinion regarding the use of president’s official acts as evidence in criminal prosecution against a former president.
“Well, there’s actually two rulings in this decision. There’s a 6-3 for presumptive immunity, but there’s also a 5-4 on you can’t even have the evidence of official conduct come to play,” Dean said Monday. “This is very…this to me, appears to certainly influence the existing law on presidential conduct [and] what’s available…evidentiary speaking. Amy Coney Barrett said she didn’t think that it should be so restricted as the decision of the court itself was, so I think that Nixon would have survived. I think he would have walked under this ruling.”
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It’s nonsense. He wouldn’t have survived under this ruling as conspiracy to break and enter and steal from political opponents is not covered by this ruling; and anyway he was going to lose the impeachment vote in the Senate. He had to resign. The pardon was just to lift any cloud and let the country move on.
Trump knows that to be a lie.
Believe she retired from the escort business
“”actions in office,””
They sure don’t like the word OFFICIAL, do they?
“Operation Fast and Furious was a high-profile scandal that ensnared former President Barack Obama’s Justice Department, the ATF, and ex-Attorney General Eric Holder. The imbroglio saw federal agents allow more than 2,000 firearms to be sold illegally to known or suspected straw purchasers.
“At the time, the federal government hoped the weapons could be used to track and ultimately arrest the high-ranking leaders of drug cartels in Mexico. The sting operation backfired, however, with the guns being used to facilitate crimes along the U.S.-Mexico border.”
“”Authorizing the Watergate burglary was not an official act as the Supreme Court defined it.””
Something those people will never give up...they don’t recognize the word OFFICIAL.....maybe they’ll get tired of being the fools and just shut up!!! Nah - I don’t think so....too much to hope for.
It was a different era. The left was just beginning to tear down the country. The media made Nixon out to be a total villain, and in that era the media had almost 100% credibility, even though they were lying back then.
Today is different. The nation is nearly gone and Trump is regarded as a savior. He can fight and be expected to win.
Thanks to the media of the 60’s, Nixon never could have regained any trust or support even if he did fight and win. The left had many victories in that era. Getting rid of Nixon, Roe v Wade and winning the Vietnam war for the commies. Americans were just to dumb to see the writings on the wall back then.
Back then Democrats largely shared the Judeo-Christian ethical framework with Republicans. They had not turned into trans-loving sexual freaks seeking to replace the white race.
This is my contention as well. The plumbers were part of the setup, and those that devised the scheme knew exactly how he would react. Seriously given the polling and outcome, what was to be gained?
“If the president does it, it is legal”
- Richard Nixon 1971
“Authorizing the Watergate burglary was not an official act as the Supreme Court defined it.”
Nixon did not authorize the burglary. He covered it up.
Nixon did not authorize the Watergate burglary. He didn’t even know about it until after the fact. To this day, 50+ years later, no one knows who ordered it or what the burglars were looking for.
“”Only brain dead idiots believe that.””
Well, they’re sure piling up fast...no one will admit they are reporting the ruling wrong..
Ri-i-i-ght.
That was why they were actively importing people who were NOT Judeo-Christian and hung out with perverts who had sex with children.
Either you do not know history or you are covering for them. Which is it?
His wife has an interesting history. The media kept much of it quiet.
WIKI
Each weapon was equipped with a GPS unit initially installed by the El Paso Intelligence Center, later purchased at a local electronics shop by the ATF. Critically, the GPS battery life was only a few days and the GPS weapon “tracker” signal was routinely lost especially in car trunks. This lack of technical sophistication and failure of GPS as a tracker, were the major reasons for Fast and Furious failure as an ATF operation.
Guns tracked by the ATF have been found at crime scenes on both sides of the Mexico–United States border, including the scene where United States Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was killed in December 2010. The gunwalking operations became public in the aftermath of Terry’s murder. Dissenting ATF agents came forward to Congress in response.
As a result of a dispute over the release of Justice Department documents related to the scandal, on June 28, 2012, in a vote largely along party lines in a Republican-controlled House, Attorney General Eric Holder became the first sitting member of the Cabinet of the United States to be held in contempt of Congress. At Holder’s request, President Barack Obama had invoked executive privilege for the first time in his presidency in order to withhold documents that “were not generated in the course of the conduct of Fast and Furious.” In 2016, a federal court ruled that the records in question were not covered by privilege; a House lawsuit to try to recover the records was settled and the matter dropped in April 2019, after control of the House had shifted to Democrats.
On October 26, 2009, a teleconference was held at the Department of Justice in Washington, D.C. to discuss U.S. strategy for combating Mexican drug cartels. Participating in the meeting were Deputy Attorney General David W. Ogden, Assistant Attorney General Lanny A. Breuer, acting ATF Director Kenneth E. Melson, Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Administrator Michele Leonhart, Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation Robert Mueller and the top federal prosecutors in the Southwestern border states. They decided on a strategy to identify and eliminate entire arms trafficking networks rather than low-level buyers. Those at the meeting apparently did not suggest using the gunwalking tactic, but Phoenix ATF supervisors would soon use it in an attempt to achieve the desired goals.
The dealers involved became concerned as months went by and the same individuals they reported to ATF as suspected straw purchasers returned and repeatedly bought identical weapons.
On November 8, 2011, Holder stated for the first time in Congressional testimony that gunwalking was used in Fast and Furious. He remarked that the tactic is unacceptable, and that the operation was “flawed in its concept and flawed in its execution”. He further stated that his office had inaccurately described the program in previous letters sent to Congress, but that this was unintentional. Reiterating previous testimony, he said that he and other top officials had been unaware that the gunwalking tactic was being used. Holder stated that his staff had not shown him memos about the program, noting, “There is nothing in any of those memos that indicates any of those inappropriate tactics that are of concern.
ex-US Attorney Burke admitted to leaking sensitive documents about ATF agent and whistleblower Dodson. Senator Grassley expressed concern that the Justice Department was using Burke as a scapegoat to protect higher officials and vowed to continue his probe.
On December 2, 2011, the Justice Department formally withdrew its statement of February 4, 2011, denying gunwalking, due to inaccuracies.
On June 28, 2012, Holder became the first sitting member of the Cabinet of the United States to be held in criminal contempt of Congress by the House of Representatives for refusing to disclose internal Justice Department documents in response to a subpoena. The vote was 255–67 in favor, with 17 Democrats voting yes and a large number of Democrats walking off the floor in protest and refusing to vote. A civil contempt measure was also voted on and passed, 258–95. The civil contempt vote allows the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform to go to court with a civil lawsuit to look into the US Justice Department’s refusal to turn over some of the subpoenaed documents and to test Obama’s assertion of executive privilege.
more at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal
Yeah, he always was a TWOT. The ruling pertains to Pres’ duties — this is not the same as what some Pres decides to do.
The confusion among the commie trash on MSM and NPC all over the place is that BeijingBiden has blurred the line, like Obama did when he murdered a US citizen with a drone. Just ‘cause you have the power to do something (e.g., like issue an ExecOrder that is plainly unconstitutional)does not mean you can legally do that. That is why if the bozo in the WHouse decides to launch nukes he has to get at least on cabinet official to agree — or else the guy carrying the football with shoot the bozo.
Uhm... people, for some reason, are seeing this ruling as a blank check. It most definitely is NOT. “Legal” actions ARE protected “Illegal” ones ARE NOT!
The court referred the determination of “Legal” and “Illegal” back to the lower courts.
This is not over and both sides need to stop screaming like Chicken Little.
Give it a break. “Legal” and “Illegal” will be back in front of the court before long.
The Committee to Reelect authorized the burglary not Nixon. Nixon’s undoing was the subsequent cover up which he alleged later was done for reasons of national security, ex the knowledge that Oval Office conversations had been taped could cause problems with foreign leaders, US officials, governors, mayors, business and union leaders. Example of one personal point of interest. My uncle was one of the representatives of NY Building Trades right after the Hardhat Parade in ‘70. They met in the Oval Office. They might have been taped. But that would be seen as official duty.So could all or most of the Nixon tapes. So yes I believe this decision would have protected Nixon from post presidency indictment. Impeachment, not likely.
How’s your DNC call girl wife doing, Johnny?
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