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How a Gaza 'Stunt' Divided Australia's Parliament
BBC ^ | 7/2 | Hannah Ritchie

Posted on 07/01/2024 7:22:43 PM PDT by nickcarraway

When Fatima Payman crossed the Senate floor to vote against her government she knew it would come with consequences. The Australian Labor party has strict penalties for those who undermine its collective positions, and acts of defiance can lead to expulsion - a precedent with a 130-year history. The last time one of its politicians tested the waters while in power was before Ms Payman was born.

But last Tuesday, the 29-year-old did just that - joining the Green party and independent senators to support a motion on Palestinian statehood. Officially the Australian government supports a two-state solution, but did not back the motion after trying - and failing - to insert a condition that any recognition should be “as part of a peace process”. Within hours, Ms Payman had been temporarily suspended from her party room, by the end of the week it would become indefinite - after she publicly vowed to cross the floor again if given the opportunity.

"By her own actions and statements, Senator Payman has placed herself outside the privilege that comes with participating in the federal parliamentary Labor Party caucus," a government spokesperson said.Prime Minister and Labor leader Anthony Albanese was more concise: “No individual is bigger than the team.”On Monday, Ms Payman responded by saying she had been "exiled" – explaining that she had been removed from caucus meetings, group chats and all committees. The dismissal of the senator, elected in what was billed as Australia’s most diverse parliament to date, has drawn a mixed response and raised questions - mainly, whether it’s practical or fair for politicians to toe the line on issues affecting their communities.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Foreign Affairs; Gaza; Hamas; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: anthonyalbanese; australia; fatimapayman; gaza; greenparty; hamas; hannahritchie; israel; jews; laborparty; palestinian; waronterror

1 posted on 07/01/2024 7:22:43 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Party discipline is a thing in Westminster style Parliaments. I assume Labor will withdraw the whip and kick her out of the Party.


2 posted on 07/01/2024 7:35:44 PM PDT by GreenLanternCorps (Hi! I'm the Dread Pirate Roberts! (TM) Ask about franchise opportunities in your area.)
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To: nickcarraway

They have to preserve ‘their democracy’


3 posted on 07/01/2024 7:35:56 PM PDT by algore
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To: nickcarraway

My opinion of Australia and Australians has gone south over the last few years. During the Scamdemic they turned into a penal colony again.

If Trump is elected he needs to take the Five Eyes dictatorship countries to the woodshed.


4 posted on 07/01/2024 7:37:15 PM PDT by wildcard_redneck (He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.)
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To: nickcarraway

Australians fooled Americans for decades with their cowboy boots, gruff exteriors, and crocodile dundee stunts as tough Westerners. When Covid happened, they all rolled over like little subservient pygmies at the feet of their State Masters, showing their macho act was just that.


5 posted on 07/01/2024 7:38:50 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: nickcarraway

CHOICES CAN HAVE CONSEQUENCES


6 posted on 07/01/2024 8:05:41 PM PDT by ridesthemiles (not giving up on TRUMP---EVER)
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To: nickcarraway
From the article:

Ms Payman is Australia's first and only hijab-wearing federal politician

7 posted on 07/01/2024 9:02:54 PM PDT by 11th_VA (Celebrate Climate Change !!!)
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To: wildcard_redneck
My opinion of Australia and Australians has gone south over the last few years. During the Scamdemic they turned into a penal colony again.

Aye, matey, the peniles all went flaccid.

8 posted on 07/01/2024 9:04:18 PM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: nwrep

Yep


9 posted on 07/01/2024 9:13:40 PM PDT by vpintheak (Sometimes you’re the windshield, sometimes you’re the bug. )
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To: 11th_VA
Ms Payman is Australia's first and only hijab-wearing federal politician

Finally: A candidate who has nothing to hide!

Regards,

10 posted on 07/01/2024 10:45:36 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: wildcard_redneck
If Trump is elected he needs to take the Five Eyes dictatorship countries to the woodshed.

George Orwell was a prophet.

11 posted on 07/01/2024 10:52:09 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: nwrep
Australians fooled Americans for decades with their cowboy boots, gruff exteriors, and crocodile dundee stunts as tough Westerners. When Covid happened, they all rolled over like little subservient pygmies at the feet of their State Masters, showing their macho act was just that.

I've never been to Australia but their population is extremely concentrated in Sydney and Melbourne.

So in the U.S., it's like having everyone live in either NYC or LA.

12 posted on 07/01/2024 11:07:11 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: wildcard_redneck

You are soooo right.

What a total disappointment Australia has become.

At one point it was where all lovers of freedom wanted to go.

Oh well, I don’t care what Australia does.

Live with it.


13 posted on 07/01/2024 11:13:01 PM PDT by Maris Crane
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To: nwrep
"Australians fooled Americans for decades with their cowboy boots, gruff exteriors, and crocodile dundee stunts as tough Westerners."

Didn't they kill the original Crocodile Dundee because he wouldn't give up his rifle?
14 posted on 07/02/2024 10:54:48 AM PDT by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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To: Hiddigeigei

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Ansell


15 posted on 07/02/2024 1:49:33 PM PDT by packrat35 (Pureblood! No clot shot for me!)
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To: Hiddigeigei

No. They killed him because he had a psychotic episode brought on by constant drug use, which lead to him shooting and wounding two people more or less randomly. When police set up roadblocks to try and stop the random shooting, he opened fire on police from ambush killing one officer and wounding another innocent bystander. In the subsequent shootout with police, he was finally killed.

The story you’ve apparently been told is an example of misleading propaganda about Australia that seems designed to mislead Americans by lying about what other countries are like. Something that seems to happen on lot nowadays, unfortunately. Personally, I think a lot of it comes out of China trying to split a close alliance they dislike.


16 posted on 07/04/2024 3:50:02 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: wildcard_redneck

No, Australia did not ‘turn into a penal colony’ during the Pandemic.

There were serious problems in the two most left wing states in the country - just as there were in the most left wing states in the United States.

Victoria had a ridiculously long lockdown, and Western Australia completely sealed its internal borders - but they were anomalies, the rest of the country didn’t go that way.

Unfortunately, some people took advantage of the fact that Americans don’t know much about how Australia is governed (and there’s no reason they should) to present isolated and limited incidents as if they were the norm across the country. Constitutionally, in Australia, state governments have almost total control of public health which means the socialist governments in Victoria and Western Australia were able to overrule what the conservative Federal government wanted to happen within their states - and because of the way people were mislead, people wind up blaming the wrong level of government for the problem. There’s a lot of people who’d much rather blame the conservative side of politics, and shield the socialists from blame. It’s just a pity it seems to have worked so well, including on sites like this one, where honestly I would have expected more people to be skeptical of that type of narrative.


17 posted on 07/04/2024 3:55:35 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

Australia had COVID quarantine camps, it was disgusting. Dont excuse it.


18 posted on 07/04/2024 4:11:36 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.)
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To: wildcard_redneck

No, Australia didn’t have COVID quarantine camps.

There was one place that might be described in those terms. One. And that was only because the Northern Territory government happened to have a former mining camp available to it, so it used that for a fairly small number of people instead of paying for hotels.

But some people tried to spin this into some network of concentration camps and idiots like you willingly swallowed the crap you were spoon fed, and you’re probably too embarrassed to admit to how gullible you were. So you’ll double down and continue to spread communist Chinese propaganda.


19 posted on 07/04/2024 4:47:21 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: wildcard_redneck

Sorry, I am getting seriously frustrated about this. How would you feel if you saw your country being constantly lied about to manipulate the people in one of your closest allies.

And that is what has happened here.

Parts of Australia were terrible on COVID - but so were some parts of the US. The restrictions and lockdowns in California went a lot longer than any here, even the really long one in Victoria - but nobody claims California represents the entire United States.

And few people would blame President Trump for what the Governor of California did - yet everybody seems to want to blame the most conservative and openly Christian Prime Minister Australia had in decades for what the state leaders did here - and that probably is part of the reason we now have a pro-Chinese socialist federal government in place since our last election.

It is deeply frustrating and troubling.


20 posted on 07/04/2024 4:58:23 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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