Putin Has Tainted Russian Greatness

New York Times ^ | June 20, 2024, 5:02 a.m. ET | SERGE SCHMEMANN

[Cronos]

Many years ago, in the 1980s, I went to Brighton Beach, then in its heyday as a district of newly arrived Soviet Jews. It was a grand event, rich in humor and tinged with nostalgia. I asked a middle-aged partygoer for his thoughts on his lost homeland, and his reply has stayed with me: “I hate Russia, for forcing me to leave her.”

It was an apt summary of what waves of émigrés from Russia and the Soviet Union since the early 20th century have felt: a sorrowful sense of loss for a motherland — what Russians call “toska po rodine” — coupled with resentment at the autocratic powers that forced them out. My grandparents were among the “White” Russians who fled the Revolution and moved to Paris in the 1920s. A second wave of emigrants left in World War II. The third, Soviet Jews, started leaving in the 1970s. Vladimir Putin has now created another wave of people fleeing Russia, and many of them may still believe, as my forebears did, that they will one day return to the homeland.

Most probably will not.

It’s hard to say precisely where Russian exiles stand, politically or in their sense of attachment to Russia. The waves of emigrants differ widely one from another, and in the United States, they have not behaved like immigrants from Italy, China or Poland who formed hyphenated-American communities and organizations that have persisted over generations. Russians immigrants to America have, by comparison, melded quickly into the general population.

...That is the tragic irony of Mr. Putin’s war. His attempt to “restore Russian greatness” through violence and hatred has tainted Russia’s real greatness for years to come, just as his attempt to quash Ukrainian nationhood has steeled its foundations.

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That is the tragic irony of Mr. Putin’s war. His attempt to “restore Russian greatness” through violence and hatred has tainted Russia’s real greatness for years to come, just as his attempt to quash Ukrainian nationhood has steeled its foundations.

So it's all about Trump?

[aMorePerfectUnion]

ZEEPER FOLLIES PINGLIST!

(((PING!)))

[Brian Griffin]

://onlinelibrary.wiley.com › doi › full › 10.1111 › nana.12986
Ukraine at war: Baseline identity and social construction
The last Soviet census in 1989 recorded a Ukrainian population of 51.5 million: 72.7% identified as ethnic Ukrainian and 22.1% or 11.4 million as Russian. In the only census undertaken in independent Ukraine in 2001, the number of Russians was down to 17.2% or 8.3 million.”

DuckDuckGo:

million Ukraine independence ethnic Russian

[Brian Griffin]

“Which nations issued a formal appeal for Putin to invade Ukraine, either time?”

Many nations would like to see Israel gone.

Many nations are demanding a ceasefire.

Sometimes the numbers don’t add up to a hill of beans.

[Jane Long]

NY Slimes lying, again.

Another day, another NYS lie.

😂

[Brian Griffin]

Israel pleaded for the return of its people before it sent the IDF into Gaza.

There are continued calls to end the persecution of Trump. These calls are being ignored.

[hanamizu]

Sometimes the numbers don’t add up to a hill of beans.

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True enough, but my point was there was little or no international demand for Putin/Russia to invade Ukraine.

I have no dog in this fight. Ukraine is not a shining city on a hill and Russia is not the source of evil in the world. The problem with the argument that ethnic Russians are not treated well in the former Soviet republics, is that that argument can be used as a justification for Russian invasions of all of the former republics.

As I stated earlier, there is an awful lot of bad blood between the ethnic groups in that part of the world and it is still (just barely) within living memory. The children and grandchildren of victims learned from their parents and grandparents. It will take a long time for them to ‘forgive and forget’.

[Candor7]

Philippines White Russian exiles....deadly:

[alexander_busek]

What country are you from?

Born and raised in the U.S.A.

And yourself?

Regards,

[JonPreston]

Are you living in America or Europe?

[BobL]

“But you, Bobl, pointed out that this was an unprovoked Muscowite invasion of Ukraine — you are correct on that.”

GOOD! I hope you LEARN YOUR LESSON and are more careful in future postings.

[higgmeister]

There have efforts made to dislodge ethnic Russians from the prime jobs in Ukraine by requiring the use of the Ukrainian language in public life and by KKK-type intimidation of ethnic Russians by swastika wearing groups.

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You know that is false when Zelenskyy is a native Russian speaker

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Ukraine passes language law, irritating president-elect and Russia

KIEV (Reuters) - Ukraine's parliament approved a law on Thursday that grants special status to the Ukrainian language and makes it mandatory for public sector workers, a move Russia described as divisive and said discriminated against Russian-speakers.

The law, which obliges all citizens to know the Ukrainian language and makes it a mandatory requirement for civil servants, soldiers, doctors, and teachers, was championed by outgoing President Petro Poroshenko.

[alexander_busek]

Your post #54: What country are you from?

Your post #70: Are you living in America or Europe?

What is this, "Twenty Questions?" What's next, "What color socks are you wearing?!"

You're obviously trying to make this personal, searching for some thread-bare reason to launch an ad hominem against me.

You obviously have run out of objective facts and logical arguments to support your position, and are thus now reduced to fishing for something, anything, to use against me.

I now predict that you are going to resort to blatant personal insult.

I'll even make it easy for you: Yes, my mother wore Army boots!

Regards,

[Cronos]

Can you elaborate on “Ukraine has sold it’s economically viable resources to Arm itself “?

[Cronos]

Iraq, Afghanistan and dozen interventions by the US yet Russia is the boogie man,

Let's take these one by one:

• Afghanistan under the Taliban was a threat to the region's stability - the USA messed up the peace, but the war was supported by everyone, including (but not stated) Iran
  
  
• Iraq - that was a mistake in 2003 and to my mind in 1991 as well
  
  
• Bosnia - the Serbs were carrying out a genocide, that was clear. the US intervention stopped that

Ukraine was a war of conquering land - one that opens up a whole bunch of irredentist claims as seen in Azerbaijan-Armenia recently. That can undermine world peace completely.

[Cronos]

Kazan - a city in the Russian Federation.

Nah, Nazi dictator Putin set Muscowy on a path to self-destruction by trying to conquer his neighbors.

[Cronos]

And Duda and Kallas didn’t make up your nonsensical Putinist statement

Don’t they have Muscowite recruitment in Kazan, Tatarstan, Russian Federation?

[Cronos]

Taking land is not Russia’s daily tactical objective in this war.

That is the Muscowite objective as seen in Putin's "peace term" which was basically "gib me more land"

[JonPreston]

You obviously have run out of objective facts and logical arguments to support your position

Do Randian Libertarians such as yourself grasp the concept of deficit spending and military interventionism? How many wars are enough? Please give US your top 3 reasons for America's participation in the Ukraine war.

[Jumper]

You have a good “technical” point. I will not argue this.

However, the stated military objective repeaded over and over, and as discussed at the highest levels of the Russian Govenment, by Putin, Lavrov, other top officials has been to demilitarize, deNazify, remove Ukrainian Soldiers as the LEASE Loss of Russian Life.

Of course, in line with those same discussions and officials’ statements, Russia will only ADVANCE WHEN UKRAINIAN AFU HAS LITTLE OR NO RESERVES.

We are at that point. Ukraine is now faced with six fronts where large concentrations of men and equipment are being made ready. That attack from the North was an opportunistic diversion. Ukraine as always is hyper-Sensational to show NATO results - they took their eye off the prize. Russia has now divided and weakened every sector.

We are going to see something similar to the Russian or US advances in WWII starting in July. Russia will take land. Ukraine will not have anything to plug the gaps.

At 6:10 in the video they show the FAB-3000 video but immmediately followed by video from a car driving past that site. This weapon has been rumored for six months. Only thge FAB 500/1500s had been used. Putin gave his terms. This was Ukrain’s Hiroshima Moment conventionally speaking - Ukrainian Unit and Telegram channels are hysterical over this massive one shot strike.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3o5YqaXfb8