Posted on 06/20/2024 6:56:33 AM PDT by Cronos
Many years ago, in the 1980s, I went to Brighton Beach, then in its heyday as a district of newly arrived Soviet Jews. It was a grand event, rich in humor and tinged with nostalgia. I asked a middle-aged partygoer for his thoughts on his lost homeland, and his reply has stayed with me: “I hate Russia, for forcing me to leave her.”
It was an apt summary of what waves of émigrés from Russia and the Soviet Union since the early 20th century have felt: a sorrowful sense of loss for a motherland — what Russians call “toska po rodine” — coupled with resentment at the autocratic powers that forced them out. My grandparents were among the “White” Russians who fled the Revolution and moved to Paris in the 1920s. A second wave of emigrants left in World War II. The third, Soviet Jews, started leaving in the 1970s. Vladimir Putin has now created another wave of people fleeing Russia, and many of them may still believe, as my forebears did, that they will one day return to the homeland.
Most probably will not.
It’s hard to say precisely where Russian exiles stand, politically or in their sense of attachment to Russia. The waves of emigrants differ widely one from another, and in the United States, they have not behaved like immigrants from Italy, China or Poland who formed hyphenated-American communities and organizations that have persisted over generations. Russians immigrants to America have, by comparison, melded quickly into the general population.
...That is the tragic irony of Mr. Putin’s war. His attempt to “restore Russian greatness” through violence and hatred has tainted Russia’s real greatness for years to come, just as his attempt to quash Ukrainian nationhood has steeled its foundations.
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
Are you able to access US sites behind your firewall in St. Petarsburg?
“The Muscowite invasion was unprovoked as you correctly point out.”
...but you’re still SLIPPING by not pointing that out at the start and you can already see the results of that screw-up on THIS THREAD.
“UKR and RUS overlap by around 60% to 80% mutual comprehension”
My limited understanding is they are about as close as Italian and Spanish.
I’m trying to learn Russian, but I am not having much success.
Communists tainted Russian Greatness.
Really?
The front actually moved east
Or perhaps you want to stick to 2024, as you may have short term memory, right?
There are movements around Avdiivka and Bakhmut, but those are barely movements even compared to WWI
I have to laugh at some of the sources zeepers embrace. The NYT, the WaPo, British tabloids, Wiki…
If they believe everything they read, they just might be Democrats.
When you get tired of calling people Russians and actually look at the collapsing state of NATO and the EU, your mental fog should begin to lift.
Actually closer - the "Russian" language is the East Slavic dialect from Muscowy v/s "Ukrainian" being the East Slavic dialect from the Hetmanate
They only split around 1300 AD. That's in contrast to Italian (Turin dialect) v/s Spanish (Castilian) that separated 700 AD
post #1 is from the article itself.
But you, Bobl, pointed out that this was an unprovoked Muscowite invasion of Ukraine — you are correct on that.
Yes, Putin did screw-up and gave in to hubris by invading and killing white Eastern Orthodox Christians.
“The rest of your post is also heavily false”
Except for the last sentence, which oversimplifies excessively (read the WIKI article linked to in my following post for a better description), I believe my post is correct.
Please post quote any sentence from my post followed by what you believe to be correct and I will investigate further.
Their worldview aligns perfectly with Democrats, but it's my theory that most have no real allegiance to a Party. They subscribe to a global view complete with hierarchy of international institutions that supersedes sovereign nations and the will of citizens. We're in for quite a fight.
I live in America while you live in Poland.
Yes, definitely globalists, more aligned with Klaus Schwab and the WEF-type evil.
“those are barely movements even compared to WWI”
A Russian offense tends to obliterate everything in its path.
All the Russians typically have to show for an offensive is rubble, dead bodies and burnt-out tanks.
Russia now prefers to simply blast away Ukrainian front lines by the kilometer.
Russia’s position: The current sanctions against Russia are illegal under international law (not passed by the UN Security Council). Russia will be paid reparations for the implementation of those illegal sanctions. Putin will get what he wants through a peace agreement or through a war. He has stated his requirements and will continue to take the land that Russia claims until an agreeable peace agreement is signed that gives him the land he claims. Putin looks upon this as the only way to ensure Russian survival.
The only way Putin stops by being defeated on the battlefield and removed from those areas by force.
and more so - I know personally many Russian speakers in Ukraine who purposefully have shifted to Ukrainian ever since Feb 2022
When Putin was elected in Russia, how many times?, he reversed the trend where the West was buying up Russia like they succeeded in doing in Ukraine. Ukraine has sold it’s economically viable resources to Arm itself and enrich the globalists.
Let’s try this article on Obama or Biden with the same talking points.
Clinton, Bill in Bosina/Serbia....
Clinton, Hillary killed Kaddafi in Lybia....
Iraq, Afghanistan and dozen interventions by the US yet Russia is the boogie man, and the US is being the Great Satan under Obama/Biden.
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