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Is an electric vehicle collapse inevitable?
American Thinker ^ | 06/16/2024 | Mike McDaniel

Posted on 06/16/2024 9:40:50 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Were one to listen to Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg, or Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm, one might come away with the impression that electric vehicles (EVs) are so popular, the government’s intention of mostly replacing internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles with EVs by 2030 was a foregone conclusion.

After all, the Mummified Meat Puppet Administration (MMPA) tells us they’ll build a half million fast chargers across America by then to handle the load, and they’ve allocated $7.5 billion we don’t have to that noble endeavor.

Confronting Secretary Pete with the fact that in two years his bureaucracy has managed to build only seven or so—one billion plus per charger!—produces much sputtering and stammering and no answers. As the meme goes, he’s so bad at his job, Americans actually know who the Transportation Secretary is, but more on that later.

Hertz unloading its EV fleet has been much in the news. Americans have a nasty tendency not to buy, or even rent, vehicles they don’t trust and don’t want. And now, even General Motors is beginning to bow to reality:

General Motors is trimming its expected sales and production of all-electric vehicles this year, as U.S. adoption of EVs occurs slower than expected.

GM Chief Financial Officer Paul Jacobson said the company now expects production of its all-electric vehicles to range from 200,000 to 250,000 this year, down from a previously announced range of 200,000 to 300,000. The company has recently said it will produce volume to match demand, which is growing more slowly than had been forecast.

Jacobson thinks EVs make up about 8% of the market, which is less than EV cheerleaders have been claiming, and about the historic average. Don’t trust those numbers. Trust demand:


(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cars; climatechange; ecars; ev; yeshavesome
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

Think Tesla


41 posted on 06/17/2024 4:32:14 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. +12) Hamascide is required in totality)
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To: Cobra64

We see all these EV scooters abandoned everywhere and rounding them up is a separate business. Will the abdoned EV rental cars also become a clean up problem littering our roadways.


42 posted on 06/17/2024 4:32:34 AM PDT by cnsmom
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To: bert

Tesla has a PE ratio of 70! If it weren’t for tax subsidies, carbon credits, etc. it would have folded long ago. Or, like Musk’s solar panel business, folded into whatever his current scam was. He will probably go down in history as one of the greatest con artists of all time.


43 posted on 06/17/2024 4:41:20 AM PDT by Rlsau1
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To: SeekAndFind

There’s one more reason EV’s aren’t selling; the economy is so bad, nothing much but basics like food and shelter are selling. The dems should try that defense for poor EV sales.


44 posted on 06/17/2024 4:47:10 AM PDT by Bernard (“God's cruelest punishment is to let you reap what you sow.”)
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To: frank ballenger

We bought an RV last year with a 400 watt panel. What a joke. It could not keep up with normal power use during the daylight. The batteries were unusable around 10 PM so we could not use the furnace.

We do a lot of backwoods camping where there are no electrical hookups. So this year we added two more 400 watt panels and another battery. With this setup we expect to have a system capable of meeting all daylight demands as well as night time.

We have twin Honda generators as backup, but listening to them grind away is really annoying, which is why we went with the extra solar panels.

A point I’d like to make is about that VW car with the 400 watt panel. Based on our experience, that car had very little range and the panel could not keep up with energy use. It was pretty much a joke.


45 posted on 06/17/2024 5:13:17 AM PDT by redfreedom (Joseph Stalin: "It does not mater how anyone votes, how votes are counted is what matters.")
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To: samkatz

Sayeth the industry shill.

Conservation of energy is a thing.
So is energy density.

So are transmission losses.

So is lack of generating capacity and copper wire in the quantities needed to feed this fantasy.


46 posted on 06/17/2024 5:16:42 AM PDT by grey_whiskers ( The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: frank ballenger

EVs are the future, and always will be.


47 posted on 06/17/2024 5:17:37 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Remember the Citicar of 1975? I saw plenty on the car lots but never on the street.

https://classiccardb.com/uploads/postfotos/1975-seabring-vanguard-citicar-orange-new-tires-no-batteries-summer-project-ev-1.jpg


48 posted on 06/17/2024 5:19:27 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( Government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is force!--G. Washington)
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To: FrankRizzo890
will do whatever it takes to keep driving theirs

It's called "virtue signaling" which is liberal fagspeak for "attention whores."

49 posted on 06/17/2024 5:32:13 AM PDT by LouAvul (DEI = Didn't Earn It. )
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To: Cobra64

“The fad has worn off.”

They must be looking for a workaround for achieving their ultimate goal of government owned and operated mass public transportation. “All aboard...or else!”


50 posted on 06/17/2024 5:45:02 AM PDT by equaviator (If 60 is the new 40, then 35 must be the new 15.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Sounds like the power industry was suffering from premature capitulation.


51 posted on 06/17/2024 5:45:21 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: SeekAndFind

Toyota, the smartest person in the room, didn’t fall for the all in on EVs mindset, and understood they were always going to be a boutique item because of limitations of range and the charging issues. City folk living in condos and apartments don’t have garages to charge them and cold weather states are not EV friendly. Toyota, understanding that and the fact that the West was going to drive up fossil fuel prices doubled down on hybrids and waited for the fuel conscious consumer market to come to them. They are now literally and virtually in the driver’s seat as hybrid demand has far overtaken dwindling EV demand and their stock is soaring.


52 posted on 06/17/2024 6:05:25 AM PDT by chuckee
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To: frank ballenger; All

Thanks for the history. Interesting thread BUMP


53 posted on 06/17/2024 6:12:10 AM PDT by PGalt (Past Peak Civilization?)
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To: KamperKen

Exactly. The “if only there were more charging stations” narrative is just another tool for more spending. The lack of stations is not the main problem it barely makes the top 5.


54 posted on 06/17/2024 7:36:40 AM PDT by iamgalt
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To: LouAvul

Absolutely!


55 posted on 06/17/2024 8:00:02 AM PDT by FrankRizzo890
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To: 31R1O

Its not the government’s job...


56 posted on 06/17/2024 8:07:12 AM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: frank ballenger
"...So they just had to wait about 120 years for their time in the sun to arrive with the EV fad again....

Two different Scottish inventors independently built their own battery-powered electric automobiles in the 1830s. Eighteen-thirties.

So battery-only EVS are near as makes no difference 200 years old, and still are less utilitarian than a Model A ford.

57 posted on 06/17/2024 8:14:29 AM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: frank ballenger
Someone did one of the popular electrifications of an Allis-Chalmers G and put a cover over it made of solar panels. The little tractors work well for little truck farm operations. The panels don't sustain them but when the batteries die you just park it and let them eventually charge and off you go again. These are little tractors of about 10 hp and do their job at a slow speed very nicely. I grudgingly admit there are applications for EV. Certain construction and farm equipment could be EV if there is a central charging station and battery swapping. Even the little EV training airplanes with battery swapping do OK.

Still, the electricity in substantial quantity has to come from somewhere. I looked at the possibility / practicality / technical feasibility of converting farm tractors of up to 100 hp to electric and using a solar array perched on top of the barn and swappable battry packs. For what I do it passes all hurdles but it would be very expensive.

Aside from cost, my greatest reservation is fire and damage. The charging / battery storage station would need to be remote and separate from the other buildings. Parking of tractors would need to be without the battery. The field life of a tractor with no suspension is rough and I can see the many connections in the battery packs and components being damaged from the jolts of the field. Even with a cab and air ride seat my guts and back take a beating in a day's work.

58 posted on 06/17/2024 8:46:30 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (The Government that got us in this mess is not the Government that can get us out of it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

No surprise here. Everybody’s a crook and everybody’d a liar and everything is a scam.


59 posted on 06/17/2024 12:23:42 PM PDT by Diversity Is Our Weakness
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To: Chode

Regulation of infrastructure and natural monopoly does fall within the purview of government though.


60 posted on 06/17/2024 3:58:59 PM PDT by 31R1O (The people who can control themselves ought to be able to defend themselves from those who can't.)
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