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Companies will fire you at the whim of an executive. Should you be loyal to them?
1 posted on 06/01/2024 10:29:23 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

This is old news. Those who are surprised by this are seriously naive.


2 posted on 06/01/2024 10:34:03 AM PDT by Noumenon (You're not voting your way out of this. KTF)
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Federal Govt jobs pay better than private sector (didn’t used to) with great benefits and you really can’t be fired. They live very, very well, believe me. All on your dime.


3 posted on 06/01/2024 10:34:32 AM PDT by vivenne
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I told my kids, as I would tell anyone graduating high school or college. Have a plan to work for yourself by the time you reach 40. Because after that, they will look for any reason to get rid of you.


4 posted on 06/01/2024 10:35:38 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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I thought to myself, "Well, I'm going to work here forever and I'll just figure it out later and retire at 65, maybe before that!"

Shows the naivete and out of touch with reality attitude of the author.

5 posted on 06/01/2024 10:38:26 AM PDT by marktwain (The Republic is at risk. Resistance to the Democratic Party is Resistance to Tyranny. )
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Pensions, etc were never realistic for companies or government to cover in the first place - life expectancy has gone up, market returns are unpredictable, and the market dynamic moves way faster than before, meaning companies need to be more nimble. As such, employees expecting loyalty are kidding themselves - it would be economic suicide for most companies. On the flip side, employers shouldn’t expect loyalty either. The pay bumps I’ve received for new jobs each time the last 3 times I left over 9 years have averaged 40% bump in total comp. The pay bump I got 12 months ago for my new job was 3x what I made in total 10 years.


7 posted on 06/01/2024 10:42:09 AM PDT by rb22982
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There’s other factors...

For one, the large publicly-held companies used to be the best place to work for benefits including a nice pension when you retired. No more. Plus they are the most likely to do stupid stuff when some beancounter convinces management to “reduce headcount” or “rank and yank”.

The best choice is a privately-held company that has strong leadership, a history of resisting buyout offers, and makes something that isn’t readily offshored.


8 posted on 06/01/2024 10:43:50 AM PDT by bigbob
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At one of my corporate jobs, they added new tasks. Someone hired a lawyer. A few months later they dissolved all our titles and job descriptions and gave us new ones, with added tasks. They also fired that person for insubordination. Needless to say, we all slowed down.


9 posted on 06/01/2024 10:43:58 AM PDT by Ge0ffrey
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As long as you can take your 401K with you, no reason to stay loyal because companies are definitely not loyal to you. They care about the bottom line. They took away all the benefits that made companies special including pensions. So screw them, it’s your career. Make the right decision for yourself and family.


12 posted on 06/01/2024 10:46:46 AM PDT by napscoordinator (DeSantis is a beast! Florida is the freest state in the country! )
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Companies will fire you if you are a high achieving white male. The HR dept does not like that.


13 posted on 06/01/2024 10:48:21 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page. More photos added.)
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“I’d realized that since my former company wasn’t going to take care of me, I had to do for myself what I could to work towards security and retirement in my future.”

Uh, yeah, something most of us have done. I’ve never thought of my company ever taking care of me. Good grief.


14 posted on 06/01/2024 10:49:22 AM PDT by peggybac (My will is what I wanted. God's will is what I got.)
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These companies in the private sector made decisions to reduce the liability of pension costs and medical insurance for retirees. That is a rational decision made for the purpose of self-preservation for the company.

Governments, on the other hands, have stayed with guaranteed payout pensions and providing medical insurance for retirees. And most government agencies at all levels are paying the price, through our tax dollars.

A few years ago at a local municipal meeting, the city Finance Manager of the town I live in answered a question about why more potholes are not being fixed by saying that so much of the city's budget goes to pension and H&W costs that the budget is being cut everywhere else. Including fixing potholes.

Will governments in this country ever run out of money funded by federal debt? So far, so good.

15 posted on 06/01/2024 10:51:37 AM PDT by Bernard (“God's cruelest punishment is to let you reap what you sow.”)
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> Companies will fire you at the whim of an executive. <

That’s it right there. Morale is important in the military. It’s also important in a company.

In the old days most executives rose up from the ranks. They had loyalty to the company, and loyalty to the workers. Now wiz-kids executives show up from out of nowhere, and turn the whole place upside down. No thought at all is given to employee morale.

Firings will continue until morale improves.


16 posted on 06/01/2024 10:53:45 AM PDT by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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... companies should focus on giving ...

What is the primary mission of a company ?
17 posted on 06/01/2024 10:54:36 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 ( The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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I thought to myself, "Well, I'm going to work here forever and I'll just figure it out later and retire at 65, maybe before that!"

He is younger then I am, started working when he was five years older, and STILL was so damn stupid that he thought he was going to work at one company his entire life? I am sorry but in the NINTIES if you thought that your IQ was so low you need to be watered lightly and placed on a sunny windowsill.

In the sixties I can see having that mind set. In the nineties, like hell you did.

18 posted on 06/01/2024 10:59:57 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear ( Roses are red, Violets are blue, I love being on the government watch list, along with all of you.)
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Same thing happens in government service. Those who kiss butt get all the promotions, while folks who actually do their work hoping that will speak for them, never do. I know, I was one of those who retired at a pay grade that should have been much higher, and I know many, many others in that same boat. Not bragging, just speaking facts.


20 posted on 06/01/2024 11:03:26 AM PDT by ducttape45 (Proverbs 14:34, "Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.")
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This is a nice, gentle entreat for more socialism. I say this, sitting at my business on Saturday, taking a break from doing things that my employees decided not to do during the week. Because they make enough and have enough freedom to decide that the end customer can wait. YMMV


21 posted on 06/01/2024 11:03:43 AM PDT by Phil Southern (Anything can be rationalized, if you will.)
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Having been an executive who had to lay off many people over a long career I can tell you that the process is not a “whim.” By the time we got to laying off staff, we had a choice between the survival of the company or the employment of everyone.

Anyone who thinks it’s about bonuses, doesn’t understand that if you are laying off your staff, no one is getting bonuses that year.

It’s easy to point to a single person as “the bad guy”. But, its also ignorant to think that anyone wants to make that decision .


22 posted on 06/01/2024 11:06:41 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Don’t vote for anyone over 70 years old. Get rid of the geriatric politicians.)
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I think a major “fix” to the system would be 2 fold.

First, employees should be give a transportable 401(k) [also known as a QRP]. Company match amounts would ALWAYS be 100% vested and contribution limits are much higher than traditional 401k along with a much wider variety of investment options.

Second, ALL Pension plans should be eliminated. Many companies that still have pensions are in financial peril because Pensions are not fully funded. Look at the cost of pensions for government employees! Switching everyone, especially government staff, to self-funded investments in QRPs with company match will do more to provide a financial education to citizens and stimulate the economy because investing in businesses (not stocks, but actual equity) is allowed with QRPs. So is investing in precious metals, and a lot of other “non-marketable” securities.

With a level playing field, companies would then be free to create a match plan based on tenure. The longer you stay, the more they contribute to your “match”.


24 posted on 06/01/2024 11:07:45 AM PDT by RainMan ((Democrats ... making war against America since April 12, 1861))
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UH.. This is news? The last jobs that rewarded loyalty ended decades ago.


28 posted on 06/01/2024 11:15:23 AM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes.)
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In the old days at one big Texas company, if you got drunk and thrown in jail, your boss would bail you out.

Many mergers later, no one cares.

And your boss is a BIPOC Tranny.


31 posted on 06/01/2024 11:31:12 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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