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Kremlin says Russia and NATO are now in "direct confrontation"
REUTERS via MSN ^ | April 4, 2024

Posted on 04/04/2024 1:46:06 PM PDT by McGruff

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To: canuck_conservative

Oh, go suck your thumb someplace else.


61 posted on 04/04/2024 5:24:10 PM PDT by CodeToad (Rule #1: The elites want you dead.)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

Remember the Tsars also had Alaska and a good portion of the east cost of North America claimed at one time.


62 posted on 04/04/2024 5:35:05 PM PDT by redgolum
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To: McGruff

Well maybe he will make Washington DC glow then...Place needs cleaned out..


63 posted on 04/04/2024 5:45:25 PM PDT by dpetty121263
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To: Right_Wing_Madman
"It was lebensraum. The oil fields were secondary."

Hitler wasn't able to keep up producing the supply of synthetic oil he needed to run his military. He invaded Russia to take control of Russia's natural resources. Lebenstraum in Russia was the least on his mind at that time in the war. He had all the other countries he'd invaded for that plan. And he never would have conquered all of Russia to gain access to the whole country anyway. He chose poorly to begin with, and then he split his army, which was his downfall.

64 posted on 04/04/2024 5:54:57 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: Petrosius
Are you willing to sacrifice the Ukrainian people to satisfy your sense of moral superiority?

Americans have no interests in the Ukraine and we cannot save them without significant cost so yes I would leave them to their fate which would likely have been better had we not decided to enter this proxy war.

The only excuse you have for kicking this hornets nest is “moral superiority” and eventually the bill will come due. My hope is that me and mine don’t get killed so you can feel righteous.

65 posted on 04/04/2024 5:56:52 PM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: mass55th

Hitler should have employed a “Divide and Conquer” strategy. Promise the Ukrainians autonomy and to be “under German protection” in exchange for helping the Nazis fight the Soviets.


66 posted on 04/04/2024 5:59:24 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: McGruff; All

The French are comparing the Kremlin government people to “panicking chickens without heads”, running around randomly bumping into doors and walls... lol.

Putin is not considered as intellectually fit anymore by French citizens.
His many and endless nuclear threats make him look surreal and comical. He has bluffed so many times now that he has discredited himself, no one believes him anymore.

Putin ravages the Russian economy in the long run while being a paper tiger. Russia is 30 times bigger than Ukraine, is throwing artillery 10 to 1 on Ukraine, while suffering 5 times mores casualties than the Ukrainians... All this for two years.... and Russia is gaining nothing, just a few yards here and there... it’s going nowhere....
This alone makes Russia look weak. The Russian weakness is exasperated to such a level that it makes some in US Congress believe Ukraine doesn’t need Western ammunition anymore! But THAT is a miscalculation!
Because Russia is still capable of hitting civilian housing and infrastructure in Ukraine. Just like any cheap islamic terrorist groups do.

Defending civilians against terrorism requires ammunition.


67 posted on 04/04/2024 6:00:03 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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To: wildcard_redneck

Would be nice to Make FreeRepublic FreeRepublic Again

MFrFrA !!!


68 posted on 04/04/2024 6:11:17 PM PDT by C210N (Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.)
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To: wildcard_redneck

The FR warmongers seemingly are going to get WWIII. Your outstanding CNC will stride the battlefield with his military prowess and invoke fear into the Russians and your woke military will make you proud!

You arrogant maniacs think you can control this war and prevent it from going nuclear, bloody fools. All over the craphole the Ukraine which means nothing strategically to the US.


69 posted on 04/04/2024 6:19:29 PM PDT by sarge83
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To: dfwgator
"Hitler should have employed a “Divide and Conquer” strategy. Promise the Ukrainians autonomy and to be “under German protection” in exchange for helping the Nazis fight the Soviets."

Hitler wasn't that bright, and he would never listen to his Generals, even if one had recommended that. Paul von Hindenburg called Hitler "The Austrian Corporal."

70 posted on 04/04/2024 6:23:12 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: canuck_conservative

How did those missiles in Turkey work out for NATO? Yup, almost caused WWIII during the Cuban Missile Crisis.


71 posted on 04/04/2024 6:30:57 PM PDT by chuckr (Barack Hussein Obama - A Legend In His Own Mind)
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To: adorno

Russia is not some third world nation for USA and its proxies(NATO) to plunder for its resources.


72 posted on 04/04/2024 6:34:32 PM PDT by chuckr (Barack Hussein Obama - A Legend In His Own Mind)
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To: mass55th

They’re running America into the ground, right here, right now...Not much time to be concerned with corrupt countries like Ukraine..


73 posted on 04/04/2024 6:53:33 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Petrosius

Ukraine is totally corrupt - no one knows where the money from USA goes. Ukraians are fleeing the country and 350k to 400k of their countrymen dead or seriously wounded, it is just a matter of time before what’s left collapses. Neither Zalynski or the Biden administration care about the Ukranian people and that’s why there are only 19 million people left.


74 posted on 04/04/2024 6:55:25 PM PDT by chuckr (Barack Hussein Obama - A Legend In His Own Mind)
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To: RightOnTheBorder

Stability in Europe is in the US interest and the money we sending to Ukraine is pocket change. We should have given the Ukrainians the resources they needed from the start.


75 posted on 04/04/2024 6:58:10 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: dragnet2

You’ve got that right.


76 posted on 04/04/2024 7:23:21 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: forYourChildrenVote4Bush

NATO is about much more than the USSR. It’s about more than Russia, for that matter. In the longer run, NATO’s greater purpose is to keep Europe from swerving into the path of the early 1900’s, but this time with nukes. For that, the US needs to be the single biggest player. Russia may or may not be part of the trouble, in a generation or so, but the odds and history are favorable that it will be somehow involved.


77 posted on 04/04/2024 7:27:15 PM PDT by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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To: hinckley buzzard

You are forgetting that most of the Ukrainian people did not wish to be ruled by a Russian sock puppet. Nuland etc. were minor factors at most.

Of note, one of my friends argues that individuals, political parties, etc., are irrelevant in altering the currents of history. I don’t quite agree. Truly exceptional individuals can IMO alter the greater movements of history. OTOH truly incompetent leaders are usually just a product of their culture or society. In any case, Nuland is about the most unexceptional person one could imagine. A 3rd rate bureaucratic hack.


78 posted on 04/04/2024 7:39:36 PM PDT by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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To: Petrosius

That’s the problem — Biden et al engaged instead in a pathetic form of risk management that drip-drip slow walked mostly popgun weapons to Ukraine...


79 posted on 04/04/2024 7:43:08 PM PDT by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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To: chuckr

Mostly we send old weapons that the Russian tools and trolls claim have been destroyed 3 times over. Pretty obviously, few are leaving Ukraine.

IMO we should send the full amount Biden wants, in weapons, mostly old weapons, and maybe a few billion in humanitarian materials and goods. The Euros can handle the financial support.

US defense expenditures now nearly match our all time low post 1940. (~2.7% in 1998-1999. It was ~2.1% in 1940 — we know where THAT got us, 41+ % by 1945.) So, the actual appropriations less transport to Ukraine, training, and those humanitarian goods, should go into new weapons and weapons plants. In fact, that’s actually where the bulk of the “Ukraine money” ends up now.

I’m sure this post will bring out an anti-MIC reply or two. Those persons are just nuts or ignorant.

Nice graph:

https://media.defense.gov/2019/Mar/12/2002099941/-1/-1/0/190312-D-ZZ999-001.JPG


80 posted on 04/04/2024 8:10:44 PM PDT by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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