Posted on 02/04/2024 5:01:26 PM PST by McGruff
Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley on Sunday walked back her previous comment that Texas could secede from the US if it decided to do so.
“No. According to the Constitution, they can’t,” Haley told CNN’s Dana Bash on “State of the Union” when asked whether she thought the Lone Star State had a right to secede.
“What I do think they have the right to do is have the power to protect themselves and do all that. Texas has talked about seceding for a long time. The Constitution doesn’t allow for that,” she said. “But what I will say is … Where’s that coming from? That’s coming from the fact that people don’t think that government is listening to them.”
Her comments mark a turnaround from remarks she made last week, when Haley told radio host Charlemagne tha God that “if Texas decides they want to do that, they can do that.”
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When the federal government has abandoned its Constitutional duties, any state can secede. No Constitution means no country.
Nikki and walking it back are lashed at the hip.
She’s a dolt.
Mitt tried to Ninja his way into Trumps cabinent.
Nikki’s taking the jolly chimp approach.
First Inaugural Address of Abraham Lincoln
MONDAY, MARCH 4, 1861
“Descending from these general principles, we find the proposition that in legal contemplation the Union is perpetual confirmed by the history of the Union itself. The Union is much older than the Constitution. It was formed, in fact, by the Articles of Association in 1774. It was matured and continued by the Declaration of Independence in 1776. It was further matured, and the faith of all the then thirteen States expressly plighted and engaged that it should be perpetual, by the Articles of Confederation in 1778. And finally, in 1787, one of the declared objects for ordaining and establishing the Constitution was “to form a more perfect Union.”
“But if destruction of the Union by one or by a part only of the States be lawfully possible, the Union is less perfect than before the Constitution, having lost the vital element of perpetuity.
“It follows from these views that no State upon its own mere motion can lawfully get out of the Union; that resolves and ordinances to that effect are legally void, and that acts of violence within any State or States against the authority of the United States are insurrectionary or revolutionary, according to circumstances.”
This is worth reading:
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/lincoln1.asp
But consider Amendment X:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
In my opinion Amendment X voids the Articles of Confederation and the preamble of the Constitution for states that are parties to the Constitution.
Texas could file at the Supreme Court a petition for divorce from all other governmental parties to the Union on the grounds of irreconcilable differences.
the biggest mistake the original states made was not specifically stating the process for a state to leave the union.
Massive mistake.
The laws of England forbade the original colonies from forming their own nation, too, but when the colonies got good and fed up, they told King George to go piss off real good and quick, did they not?
Tell me how this is any different for Texas?
The left is Ignoring, Defying and destroying the Constitution. With no remorse.
Governor Abbott:
January 24, 2024 The federal government has broken the compact ...
“The Constitution doesn’t allow for that,”
Verse and text Nik? Declaration of Independence allows...nay, requires.
Not a fan of Neo-con Nikki, but Texas has every right to secede.
Obviously, “ Ebony “ at CNN is not familiar with the very first sentence in the Declaration of Independence.
who has more “walk backs” biden or haley?
i have lost count
No border, no country. The federal government is breaking the contract. It’s their fault.
“Will no one rid us of this meddlesome shrew?”
First,
Texas (unlike any other state) can divide itself into 5 states if so inclined.
see https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/more-150-years-texas-has-had-power-secede-itself-180962354/
Read the actual Bill passed by the US house here. https://www.tsl.texas.gov/ref/abouttx/annexation/march1845.html
Second,
As mentioned in the above article, a treaty was signed by the US senate with the Republic of Texas, that allows Texas to leave the Union. I will post that here when I find a link to the Treaty.
If you google, you will find a lot of recent lib posts on how Texas cannot do this or that, and it’s like every other state. But it’s not, it entered as it’s own country NOT a territory or possession of the US.
“Nikki Haley walks back comment that Texas can secede from US”
Damn!!! If she stuck by that comment, she would have had my vote.
(not really, since it would be a lie)
A lot of Americans, and not only in the Southern states, did not share Lincoln’s opinion in 1861. The North proved by brute force that a state cannot unilaterally leave. But what if the other states agreed to its leaving?
I think states can secede.
I also think (and know from past experience) the country can try to prevent it if it decides to.
The civil war showed both of my statements to be true.
The outcome, however isn’t automatically that they cannot. If the seceding side can win, they can and will secede.
Nowhere does the constitution forbid succession.
Lincoln wordsmiths his way around what he is really saying: the federal government created the states. His sleight of hand is revealing of a slick tongued politician’s ambition, not a principle.
Does it specifically forbid it?
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