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The West’s humiliating electric car climbdown has begun
Yahoo News ^ | 2/2/24 | Matthew Lynn

Posted on 02/03/2024 11:05:04 AM PST by CFW

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To: CFW

Oh for pity’s sake, give ‘em a break, wouldja? They’ve only been trying to sort out the electric car for 190 years.


81 posted on 02/03/2024 10:05:43 PM PST by Paal Gulli
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To: devere

Same here. 🙄


82 posted on 02/03/2024 10:07:44 PM PST by nutmeg (FJB)
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To: CFW

Internal combustion engines are being perfected all the time. They get less polluting and more efficient all the time. Much of this due to the computer controls on them, So why drop them now for EVs?

Although I agree with the author that EV company fleets with installed charge stations can make sense in urban situations. Also for high earners as a 2nd, 3rd vehicle. I see a fair number of Teslas running around where I live, They do look cool. They seem to come in only white and dark blue.


83 posted on 02/03/2024 10:21:56 PM PST by dennisw (Be positive. Every day is a new day!)
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To: GenXPolymath

*like* your posts!


84 posted on 02/03/2024 10:24:19 PM PST by dennisw (Be positive. Every day is a new day!)
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To: Elsie

so where are the savings?

Much less the vaunted green benefits.

On it’s face, the scam is at least a double suck for those dumb enough to buy in.

Triple suck if the outlandish price is a factor.


85 posted on 02/03/2024 11:39:27 PM PST by wita (Under oath since 1966 in defense of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness)
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To: CFW

I think EVs would be great were it not for the practicalities of battery and charging systems needed. Extremely high replacement costs coupled with the potentiality of an insuppressible fire problem, say in your garage are a big NO for me. Having one catch on fire in your garage might just as well be a big block of magnesium catching fire. Good luck with putting it out.


86 posted on 02/03/2024 11:43:53 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: GenXPolymath

Wow. That’s interesting! Thanks.


87 posted on 02/04/2024 3:28:09 AM PST by TomEd (Her şey hazır! Buyrun, şölene!)
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To: Does so
And they get the Hydrogen from WHERE?
88 posted on 02/04/2024 4:24:54 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: wita

The Lord gave us two good feet for a reason.

When Jesus and three disciples went somewhere together, they were in one Accord.


89 posted on 02/04/2024 4:27:12 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CFW

Every fantasy Narrative must crash into reality, eventually. Hopefully, before it destroys us all.


90 posted on 02/04/2024 5:53:19 AM PST by rightwingcrazy (;-,)
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To: joshua c

“the purpose of the battery car push is to destroy private transportation

now everyone on the bus!”

Seems a bit dramatic...I have a long commute across a dense urban metropolis. Over 100 miles a day round trip starting in the exurban areas ending in the urban core midcities. There is no more ideal car than a Model 3 Tesla FSD for that commute check my older posts the math works solidly in it’s favor by every metric (capex price per mile,fuel cost per mile, tire life,opex & maintenance) when compared to my current already opened luxury vehicle that is used for said commute. The balance tips even more when the charging is done at work as part of my total compensation package. That’s $3600 per year in fuel costs back in my pocket. Having hand off driving in grid lock traffic is icing on the cake.

That said I rented on a number of occasions model 3 and model S my experiences with then range from gridlock traffic in DFW and Houston to trips between those cities at 85mph speeds on the active cruise controls. Tesla has blanketed Texas interstates and cities with superchargers I never need more than a 15 stop to get to the next charger or destination. Houston to DFW is a single stop at the 3/4 way point then direct to the destination I chose hotels with L2 charger and reserved spots or my garage has two L2 ports already on the walls. I wouldn’t use a Model 3 as a city to city car it will be third vehicle in the stable and purely commuting but it is capable of going to any Texas city I need to be in. Austin to DFW is a no stop trip the 3 or S has the range to go directly with a charge at the destination point. Houston is a single stop trip, San Antonio is a stop in New Braunfels while eating world class German food. Midland..shudders is a stop in San Angelo. New Orleans is a stop in Shreveport for Cajun lunch then Barton Rouge then 75 miles to NOLA from there you can get to Biloxi on the same charge. I have made all those trips in rental Teslas during my travels while consulting unlimited miles and bill the client for the rental car and the charging. My point is it’s a bit dramatic to say teslas are going to force people on to the bus they work great within their supercharger network. The model 3 RWD LR used with 30000miles are in the $25K range so hardly a rich boys toy. I see EV as a great commuter car or second car in a stable of cars and trucks each has it purpose.

A point should also be made the Model 3 RWD uses LFP cells they do not thermal runaway and don’t burst into flames tesla uses the same cells that BYD uses in their blade packs which you can drive a steel spike through the blade pack and it won’t even burn it vents gas at under 400F look up the blade pack spike tests if you are curious. LFP also have twice the cycle life of NMC with 100%DOD and 100SOC capabilities NMC are 20/80 the trade off is LFP are less dense so a Model S with NMC will go 440mi and a Model 3 LFP will go 325mi as a commuter car that’s three times the daily round trip range so irrelevant even a 50% loss of pack range would still cover a 100 mile per day commute with a 50% reserve range.


91 posted on 02/04/2024 12:28:09 PM PST by GenXPolymath
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To: CFW

“ Government motto: “Subsidize failure with tax-payer dollars!”

It shows a fault-line in the fascist Wesrern system.

Fascism works great, until the government gets really stupid.


92 posted on 02/04/2024 12:33:16 PM PST by Scott from the Left Coast (We have not yet achieved peak crazy)
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To: Elsie

The Lord gave us two good feet for a reason.

Indeed, but He also provided advanced technology to assist tired dogs or failing feet.


93 posted on 02/04/2024 2:44:39 PM PST by wita (Under oath since 1966 in defense of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness)
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To: wita

Too bad HE didn’t do it sooner.

https://www.legendsofamerica.com/mormon-handcart-tragedy/

(Or at LEAST waited a few years until the train made it across the country.


94 posted on 02/04/2024 5:21:50 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Karl Spooner

The rider kept stating how cold it was while cruising down the road. He stop saying that after the electric bike burst into flames and suddenly produced heat that kept him warm for a few minutes.


95 posted on 02/04/2024 10:13:20 PM PST by Conservative independent (When you rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always get Paul's vote.)
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To: Da Coyote

If people buy EVs to “save the planet,” then public chargers should not be connected in any way to the electric grid - they should only be powered by windmills and solar panels at each station. Maybe then would EV owners realize how much fossil fuels are truly needed.


96 posted on 02/04/2024 10:29:37 PM PST by Conservative independent (When you rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always get Paul's vote.)
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To: Conservative independent
I agree completely!

And, as a backup to night time calm...



97 posted on 02/05/2024 4:11:24 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Conservative independent

Of course, one could use all that pedaling energy by walking instead.

I guarantee you’ll get farther down the road that way.


98 posted on 02/05/2024 4:12:29 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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