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The West’s humiliating electric car climbdown has begun
Yahoo News ^ | 2/2/24 | Matthew Lynn

Posted on 02/03/2024 11:05:04 AM PST by CFW

France’s President Macron had a plan to make millions of electric vehicles a year. Chancellor Scholz planned to put 15 million on Germany’s roads by 2030. President Biden trumped the lot with a $174bn (£138bn) plan to make the US the world leader. Even Boris Johnson Get info without leaving the page.

– remember him – had a £1bn plan to beef up our charging network.

Rewind only a couple of years, and almost every president or prime minister was making electric vehicles the cornerstone of an industrial strategy. And yet, this week we have learned that Renault is abandoning plans to separately list its electric vehicle (EV) and software business, while Volvo is winding down its Polestar electric sports car subsidiary.

In reality, amid an onslaught of Chinese competition, and falling sales, the West’s electric vehicle dream is quickly unravelling – and we need to relearn all the lessons in why grand, state-led industrial strategies never work.

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There is nothing wrong with EVs themselves. They are often great as run-arounds for dense urban environments, and as long as the raw materials are sourced correctly, and the chargers are not powered by coal-burning generators, they are probably a little better for the environment than the petrol version.

If people want them, then that’s great. The trouble with the industry right now is that demand is falling because the vehicles cost far more than anyone expected, and what market there is will be captured by Chinese manufacturers such as BYD that can make vehicles far more cheaply than anyone in the West can. The result? A lot of government money will be wasted.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: automotive; business; deadbatteries; ecars; economy; electric; ev; evs; failure; fires
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To: devere

https://carbuzz.com/features/history-of-american-police-cars

History re-learned...

“Let’s do it AGAIN!!”


61 posted on 02/03/2024 2:12:56 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: newfreep

Electric vehicles are powered by fossil fuels in a POWER plant somewhere;

so where are the savings?


62 posted on 02/03/2024 2:14:22 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Paladin2

“Great Leap Forward’’.

There’s a good idea. Maybe the Green Revolution needs a few million dead kulaks.
You know, We The People’’.


63 posted on 02/03/2024 2:15:36 PM PST by jmacusa (Liberals. Too stupid to be idiots.)
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To: Bernard

“For some reason, when I read your post I had a vision of the photo where Al Gore is bending over sticking his face into the barrel of his M-16. Some things never change.”


LOL! Indeed!


64 posted on 02/03/2024 2:16:38 PM PST by CFW (I will not comply!)
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To: tony549

Bryl Cream Gavin’


65 posted on 02/03/2024 2:37:03 PM PST by V V Camp Enari 67-68 ( This clears up a lot of misconception)
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To: CFW

Any industry getting subsidies is, by definition, not economically viable on is own. Some facts are just too obvious.


66 posted on 02/03/2024 2:58:15 PM PST by BuchananBrigadeTrumpFan (If in doubt, it's probably sarcasm)
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To: Karl Spooner

Jamie’s home sweet home...

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.8947796,-68.8394326,281m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu


67 posted on 02/03/2024 2:59:21 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: alloysteel

We burned a bonfire today. The nearby trees enjoyed the yummy Carbon dioxide.


68 posted on 02/03/2024 3:04:07 PM PST by cymbeline
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To: Jim Noble
You live in NH and post on FR???



69 posted on 02/03/2024 3:05:37 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Amendment10

Laws?

I don’t need no steekin’ LAWS!!


70 posted on 02/03/2024 3:06:25 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MinorityRepublican

If you really want to use EVs on a mass scale you need to be fanatical about expanding and upgrading the electric grid.

Good luck with that.


71 posted on 02/03/2024 3:11:56 PM PST by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: CFW

In much of the turd world, the most popular vehicle is the “tuktuk” — 3 wheels, 2 cycle / 1 cylinder motor.


72 posted on 02/03/2024 3:18:59 PM PST by TomEd (Her şey hazır! Buyrun, şölene!)
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To: CFW

Bahahahahah poor battery humpers can’t hardly give their crap away lol


73 posted on 02/03/2024 3:20:51 PM PST by NWFree (Sigma male 🤪)
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To: cba123

More Model Ys sold than Ford F-Series?


74 posted on 02/03/2024 3:22:41 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Elsie

“ Electric vehicles are powered by fossil fuels in a POWER plant somewhere;

so where are the savings?

From the cheap child labor used to strip mine the planet of precious metals for battery humpers to feel better about themselves


75 posted on 02/03/2024 3:23:22 PM PST by NWFree (Sigma male 🤪)
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To: CFW

I couldn’t see the climbing down without a least doubling down 6 more times


76 posted on 02/03/2024 5:26:33 PM PST by rottweiller_inc (inter canem et lupum)
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To: Jeff Chandler; alloysteel
"If only somebody could come up with a design in which the electric traction motors could be powered with an on-board electric generation system, say an internal combustion engine driving a DC electric generator, which in turn provides the electricity that powers the drive wheels."

A Prius doesn't do that. Or, perhaps only the latest models do.

Most of the Prius'es use both the electric and combustion engine in a tandem pair to propel the car, not all that different than some of those monster trucks that have more than one engine working in tandem.

The only one I know of (I bet there are others) with an actual generator was the first generation Chevy Volt. Other than at a high rate of speed, the motor was exclusively a power generator no different than the power generator you keep in your garage only for situations when the power is out. The combustion engine in the Volt was only used for driving purposes above 70mph.

If you always stayed below 70mph, the first generation Volt is a 100% purely electric car with a generator, just like a train.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/chevy-volts-engine-more-than-just-a-generator/

77 posted on 02/03/2024 6:00:28 PM PST by ProgressingAmerica (The historians must be stopped. They're destroying everything.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“Not enough electricity generated to charge all EVs”.

BMW just announced a Hydrogen powered car FOR THIS YEAR! 2024...

Pollution limited to water vapor.


78 posted on 02/03/2024 6:03:48 PM PST by Does so ( 🇺🇦..."Christian-Nationalists" won WWII...Biden NOT NEXT DNC nominee!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

We may all be compelled to wear masks in order to protect ourselves against respiratory illnesses and they will ban the use of EVs altogether. Only Greta,John Kerry and Al Gore will know. It is suicidal that we allow these clowns to control mankind’s future.


79 posted on 02/03/2024 7:37:04 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: TomEd

“In much of the turd world, the most popular vehicle is the “tuktuk” — 3 wheels, 2 cycle / 1 cylinder motor.”

Can confirm with eye watering accuracy; that was the case but the air pollution is horrendous. All new tuks are four stokes and most are CNG or LPG fueled in India, Thailand and other Asian megacites now by law. The turnover time is short on a two cycle engine the four strokes pay for themselves via increase fuel.economy and double the ring/bearing lifespans. Still the triwheel is queen , king is still two wheelers also four stokes now. You can’t go two feet in India, Thailand or Vietnam and not be next to a motorbike. LPG is near perfect fuel for a trike dense clean and cheap. You can make it via fermentation to please the greens or go the electrofuel route and literally make from thin air or seawater. Another company has a nonthermal plasma process that directly converts methane and ethane into propane and butane with excess H2 as a CO product the later two are liquids at under 120psi in plastic tanks. CH4 has two extra H vs CH3H6/8 or C4H8/12 alkanes vs alkenes . Hydrogen is valuable by itself for a slew of uses it’s worth more per Kg than either the propane or butane.


80 posted on 02/03/2024 8:41:38 PM PST by GenXPolymath
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