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1 posted on 01/17/2024 10:50:01 AM PST by aspasia
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I would argue the population collapse in many countries is DIRECTLY related to their cultural collapse.

You get the morals, social values and cultures right....

Everything will follow.


2 posted on 01/17/2024 10:54:45 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (A truth that’s told with bad intent, Beats all the lies you can invent ~ Wm. Blake)
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To: aspasia

America had enough people in 1970 and could do just fine with its own population and its own natural growth/stability rate.

It was immigration that destroyed us and we have not seen anything yet as there is no intention to end it, which probably isn’t even possible with this last 100 million new voters.


3 posted on 01/17/2024 10:55:13 AM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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With a better culture you wouldn’t have to worry about a population collapse.


4 posted on 01/17/2024 10:55:29 AM PST by escapefromboston (Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.)
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To: aspasia

I do understand that having a “top heavy” population is hard. If you have a lot of old people (who need benefits and support but who may no longer be actively contributing labor) and if you have a much smaller number of young productive workers (paying taxes so that others can receive benefits), that’s difficult.

But I believe a society can manage that sort of demographic shift. With proper expectations and value shifts, a pretty fair deal could be made available to the young and the old. And the problem is transient. In thirty years, things will be different.

My much shorter answer: I am not convinced that a declining population (which is the same as an aging population) is such an awful problem.

But I do think that a cultural collapse is something that can literally take centuries to recover from. America is particular is a unique phenomenon. Our culture was built on individual freedom and responsibility and limited government. That’s special. If we lose that (and we probably have) the world will not see it return for perhaps 1000 years.


5 posted on 01/17/2024 10:57:03 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: aspasia
And I remember how excited, as young people, that the birth control pill was widely available.

Now, not so much.

6 posted on 01/17/2024 10:57:10 AM PST by Aevery_Freeman (I didn't mis-gender you, You did!)
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It's both. The developed world isn't making babies. Worse still, the western portion of the developed world is "educating" itself away from honoring the values it has that makes life better.

Meanwhile, the undeveloped world is making the most babies to outnumber the developed world. And they don't seem to hold dear to core values we embraced in eras like our First Great Awakening and Second Great Awakening.

7 posted on 01/17/2024 10:57:27 AM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: aspasia

Population collapse in the Arab world in Africa is essential to the survival of mankind


9 posted on 01/17/2024 11:00:03 AM PST by montag813
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ping


11 posted on 01/17/2024 11:10:41 AM PST by Taxman ((SAVE AMERICA! VOTE REPUBLICAN IN 2024! SAVE AMERICA!))
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To: aspasia

Geert knows his stuff. He knows the facts because he has been at it for a long time.

In this case, both guys are right.

We need far fewer migrants and we need far more births of western nation’s natural people.


12 posted on 01/17/2024 11:21:41 AM PST by dforest
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To: aspasia

You can easily argue couples in the West, not wanting to bring children into this screwed up world, are behaving rationally. We may see a population collapse of sane societies but hordes of violent barbarians are populating like crazy.

Third world trash apparently don’t give much thought to the future of their children in a world in chaos.


13 posted on 01/17/2024 11:30:16 AM PST by Gnome1949
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Cultural collapse has caused population collapse IMHO
Who wants to have kids in the shit condition of our country?
I had 6 kids and so far 7 grands. We pray for all of them daily


20 posted on 01/17/2024 12:06:22 PM PST by The Mayor (Loving Father, help me find my fulfillment in You.)
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To: aspasia

Instead of College loans guaranteed by government, how about Mortgages, backed by govt, contingent on Marriage, steady job for the Husband, and a Mother who gets paid 1/4 of the mortgage with each child born. Of course contingent on long term marriage. Women will be having 3 or 4 children in no time. Families will have houses, and of course the bills must be paid on time. If the loan is defaulted, the couple pay it all back, minus what they have into it. Not a perfect proposal, but something to kickstart families. Oh yeah, ONLY Citizens are eligible.

Of course if a Husband and wife can’t afford the down payment, once they have 2 children, the govt can foot them 25% of the price. Again, not perfect. Somebody much smarter than me can fine tune it.


26 posted on 01/17/2024 5:36:53 PM PST by Glad2bnuts (“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: We should have set up ambushes...paraphrased)
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To: aspasia

James Woods
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I think one can’t underestimate the value of a shared culture. It is a bond that transcends party politics, presidential “mandates,” and “woke” narratives.

The true purpose behind our Biden border catastrophe is the intentional eradication of our traditional American culture.


31 posted on 01/20/2024 6:21:32 AM PST by aspasia
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