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Ukraine war a stalemate on land but not at sea
Asia Times ^

Posted on 11/24/2023 4:21:59 AM PST by FarCenter

As the attention of the world centers on the war in Gaza, many commentators believe that the war in Ukraine is becoming a stalemate. To date, Ukraine’s highly anticipated summer counteroffensive has not resulted in any substantial territorial gain, and Russia has not made any progress either.

In military terms, a stalemate is not necessarily negative, depending on your perspective. It’s a chance to replenish ammunition stocks (for instance, Russia’s limited supply of missiles) or procure new key weapons systems for the next phase of the war (Ukraine’s acquisition of F-16 fighter jets.)

In political and diplomatic terms, a stalemate enables both sides to rally their allies and partners – see Moscow’s public relations offensive in the Middle East to capitalize on the effects of the Israel-Hamas war. But it can also contribute to war fatigue – and we are seeing a degree of this among Kiev’s allies in the West.

However, this notion of a stalemate neglects the war’s maritime dimension, which has evolved fairly dramatically in Ukraine’s favor in recent months. With winter coming, recent successes in the Black Sea appear to offer Ukraine substantial tactical, strategic and political advantages.

Kiev claims that since the beginning of the war, Ukrainian forces have damaged or destroyed 27 warships and vessels belonging to Russia’s Black Sea fleet, including the fleet’s flagship, the 11,000-ton cruiser Moskva, as well as one of Russia’s Kilo-class submarines that carries cruise missiles.

With Russia’s naval base at Sevastopol considered no longer safe after a series of successful Ukrainian attacks, much of Russia’s Black Sea fleet has had to relocate to the port of Novorossiysk on the Russian mainland.

Moving its remaining Kilo-class submarines to safer locations is important for Russia because it cannot afford to lose any more of these expensive and scarce vessels.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 7yearwar; globalistpropaganda; onequarterin; putinsblunder; sanctions
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Surface ships near enemy shores is not a good idea.
1 posted on 11/24/2023 4:21:59 AM PST by FarCenter
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To: FarCenter

How much longer must we pretend this is not a proxy war between the US military/indu$trial complex and Russia?


2 posted on 11/24/2023 4:42:33 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Not much to pretend.

Russia has stated it attacked Ukraine because it feared NATO.

3 posted on 11/24/2023 4:47:46 AM PST by marktwain
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Historic day today, Comrade!

Vlady’s “Special Military Failure” enters its 22nd month

that means it has been going on for 21 months

so we’re now 1/4 of the way thru a 7-Year War (84 months)!!

only another 5+ years to go!!!

what will Russia look like after another 5+ years of sanctions and more thousands of troop losses?

a poor, backwards, primitive country, that’s what ...


4 posted on 11/24/2023 4:48:18 AM PST by canuck_conservative (NATO - keeping Europe free of Russian invaders for 74 years - you're welcome!)
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To: FarCenter

More footage showing Ukrainian women on the Frontline. Bringing women into the fight is a sign of desperate, make no mistake. Despite the rhetoric we here from the media and Ukraine supporters, this is not, "Brave, Ukrainian, female patriots," fighting evil Russia.

The truth… pic.twitter.com/scLrycjW2f— Noctis Draven (@DravenNoctis) November 24, 2023


5 posted on 11/24/2023 4:49:45 AM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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and your Russia used female fighters in WWII

so what?

bfd


6 posted on 11/24/2023 4:53:03 AM PST by canuck_conservative (NATO - keeping Europe free of Russian invaders for 74 years - you're welcome!)
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To: canuck_conservative
How's things at the Volksfront today?


7 posted on 11/24/2023 5:00:31 AM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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guess Russia is still losing, huh

only another 5+ years to go!

enjoy the sanctions!!


8 posted on 11/24/2023 5:03:58 AM PST by canuck_conservative (NATO - keeping Europe free of Russian invaders for 74 years - you're welcome!)
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To: canuck_conservative

Fixed your tagline for you.

NATO, financially raping middle class US citizens for the last 40 years.


9 posted on 11/24/2023 5:07:22 AM PST by Codeflier (Don't worry....be happy)
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To: Codeflier

any money spent keeping Russian monsters out of Europe is money well spent!


10 posted on 11/24/2023 5:14:05 AM PST by canuck_conservative (NATO - keeping Europe free of Russian invaders for 74 years - you're welcome!)
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So you admit this is a proxy war between the US military/indu$trial complex and Russia!

It’s about time you made an honest woman of yourself!


11 posted on 11/24/2023 5:14:38 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

another 5+ years of sanctions should reduce Russia pretty good

all could have been avoided ... all Vlady had to do was stay within his own borders, and develop his own country - like every other European country somehow manages to do

but Putin couldn’t do that, he had to illegally invade a sovereign country

and now this war will consume his gangster regime

21 months of failure!!


12 posted on 11/24/2023 5:24:43 AM PST by canuck_conservative (NATO - keeping Europe free of Russian invaders for 74 years - you're welcome!)
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Just because your simple mind wants to pretend history began on a day of your choosing doesn't make it so. Years of Ukraine Nazi shelling of the Russian speaking parts of Ukraine preceded it.


13 posted on 11/24/2023 5:30:23 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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Nazi up!


14 posted on 11/24/2023 5:33:34 AM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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Women are fighting for The Zelensky. Why not you? Nazi much?

More footage showing Ukrainian women on the Frontline. Bringing women into the fight is a sign of desperate, make no mistake. Despite the rhetoric we here from the media and Ukraine supporters, this is not, "Brave, Ukrainian, female patriots," fighting evil Russia.

The truth… pic.twitter.com/scLrycjW2f— Noctis Draven (@DravenNoctis) November 24, 2023


15 posted on 11/24/2023 5:43:52 AM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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How many more weeks does Ukraine have? How many more losses must they take? America needs to send it American boys and girls to save Ukraine! All America needs to give in to the war. Buy Kiev war bonds. I am sure China will sell us all the Uniforms, boots and guns we need for a million man army to send in to win back all the Russian lands and push out all the Ruzzian Language speakers! We can re-populate the land with Middle Easterners Replace those ugly Ruzzian Church’s with beautiful Mosques. I am sure Turkey could spare a few million people to work the farms for American land owners. Embrace the war as a patriotic challenge. We could use a draft!


16 posted on 11/24/2023 5:53:42 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade ( Ride to the sound of the Guns!)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Why does anyone think that the reports of moving convoys always say that the convoy is 17 miles long?


17 posted on 11/24/2023 6:17:02 AM PST by Savonarola (Savonarola)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Why does anyone think that the reports of moving convoys always say that the convoy is 17 miles long?


18 posted on 11/24/2023 6:17:20 AM PST by Savonarola (Savonarola)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Until Trump gets re-elected.


19 posted on 11/24/2023 6:17:27 AM PST by entropy12 (Career politicians like Desantis build wealth. Trump sacrificed his wealth to srve peoe. GO TRUMP)
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My tourist town in Florida is infested with Ukrainian prostitutes. They advertise openly.


20 posted on 11/24/2023 6:19:07 AM PST by entropy12 (Career politicians like Desantis build wealth. Trump sacrificed his wealth to srve peoe. GO TRUMP)
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