Posted on 11/19/2023 5:12:46 PM PST by ganeemead
I am Canadian, but I support American ideals and its Constitution. Canada is a liberal country and a fascist one that that. It is in league with evil people. I do not support my country on any one point. Unlike some here, I will not think well of the socialist liberal.
What Russia did in Cuba is no different than what the US did in the Baltic states. If the US can place weapons at Russia’s doorstep, than Russia can do the same to the US.
Military hardware is military hardware. Just as there is no such thing as a good liberal or a bad liberal, there is no such thing good military hardware and bad military hardware. Liberalism is liberalism and military hardware is military hardware.
Respect goes both ways.
If you want Russia to stop its aggression, quit threatening Russia.
The war would not have happened if we paid attention to Russia’s concerns at the time. Now it’s too late. It might have met land sways and whatever. If what I say didn’t work, then we could have had our war.
Just when I though I’d everything from our favorite Russian bot, you went and gave us that zinger!
So, go ahead and tell which countries “chose” communism that we went to war with!
Wouldn’t have been South Korea, because the nasty Northerners (supplied and assisted by Stalin and Mao’s generous assistance) invaded South Korea.
Couldn’t have been South Vietnam, because the lovely old Comrade Ho made an “offer the South couldn’t refuse” (ably assisted again by the Sovs and the Chinese).
So -do tell - who “chose communism” and then we attacked…
There is no zinger. Sovereign countries choose communism and the US didn’t respect their decision, but you criticize Russia for doing the same thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America
They butchered the flower of their youth much like England did in W.W. I.
Good Lord - “The American Fruit Company”? You had to go back that far?
Near as I could tell the rebels in the 1930s had no clue what communism was -and if they did, they’d likely shoot them on the spot!
Fun fact: there were only two times that we “invaded” anybody south of us:
1. Mexico - when Pancho Villa raided a town in New Mexico and killed some civilians. And
2. Grenada - when the loony local government (ably assisted by their in- house Cubans) were keeping some of our medical students hostage.
If you are actually are Canadian, (More likely an agent of the FSB’s North America section) I’m sure that your government has long-stand plans to invade the US.
Makes sense to me -after all, we have the good beaches.
Is there a time limit on the past? If so, can one assume that Soviet imperial ambitions are also in the past?
I’m Canadian. If you understand the politics of Canada, you might understand why Albertans have bitter feelings towards their country. Canada is not worth being patriotic to.
Canada is not going to invade anybody. Our military jets are held together with duct tape.
In the nuclear age, the line between offensive and defensive weapons is blurred. Effective defensive weapons make a nuclear first strike thinkable.
its OUR govt....its not Russia....after all these decades of our lives being told that Russia was evil it turns out our own govt is the evil one....
Russia's government is pretty evil too. Putin funds BLM to spread domestic unrest in America. He also colluded with Hillary Clinton to steal the 2016, which was later falsely attributed to Trump. I will never forgive him for that.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4162910/posts
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4084841/posts
“Unlike some here, I will think well of the liberal.”
You just proved your anti-Semitism, as another FReeper had pointed out. In your post #5 you attacked “Jewish liberals,” yet in your comment above you say you think well of liberals. So, you think well of liberals, unless they are Jewish.
“What Russia did in Cuba is no different than what the US did in the Baltic states.”
You know NOTHING. The US never deployed offensive nuclear missiles — or nuclear weapons in general — in the Baltics.
You continue to prove yourself the fool.
“If you want Russia to stop its aggression, quit threatening Russia. The war would not have happened if we paid attention to Russia’s concerns at the time. Now it’s too late. It might have met land sways and whatever. If what I say didn’t work, then we could have had our war.”
No one has been threatening Russia. But Russia is — and has been for centuries — an insecure and paranoid country that sees an existential threat from all and sundry.
But such a country, possessing the world’s largest nuclear arsenal, is a threat to not only its neighbors, but to everyone else, as well. Russia needs to drop its bullheaded paranoia and become a good neighbor.
Your comment above sounds like it could have been taken directly from Mein Kampf. Which might also explain your anti-Semitism.
“In the nuclear age, the line between offensive and defensive weapons is blurred. Effective defensive weapons make a nuclear first strike thinkable.”
It is actually the exact opposite, which is why we pursue a MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) policy. Yes, we have anti-missile systems that were developed to intercept incoming nuclear missiles, but those would be pretty useless against a large and sustained nuclear attack. With MAD, however, the promise of retaliatory obliteration has proved — and continues to prove — very effective. In a nutshell, MAD tells anyone that attacks us with nukes that they will cease to exist.
Then it’s not the opposite. A new defensive system, like SDI “Star Wars” will be feared as opening the door to a first strike. Ditto for positioning “defensive” missiles on an adversary’s doorstep.
If that seems unrealistic, some would argue that the same was true of Russian missiles in Cuba.
In 1962 the Soviets parked nukes within spitting distance of the USA during a period of high tension and with wars being fought between Communism and the Free World. Since Medvedev came to power, Russia has been constantly menacing eastern Europe for no good reason and we know the Polish warned Ukraine and Georgia FIFTEEN YEARS AGO that Putin and Medvedev had invasion plans for them. In fact Russia has been waging a cyber war against NATO countries for close to two decades with a pathetic refrain of "Yeah but yeah but we mustn't poke the bear!" as an excuse for doing absolutely nothing about it.
History lesson. In 1962 the Soviets parked nukes within spitting distance of the USA during a period of war. That was provocative. From 1993 to 1999, Russia repeatedly agreed that the Cold War is over and the USSR no longer exists and it had no problem with eastern Europe joining EU-NATO; likewise the West repeatedly said the Cold War is over and the USSR is no longer a threat BECAUSE it no longer exists.
There was no reason AT ALL for pre-Putin Russia to feel threatened by NATO expansion, and Putin even knew that NATO was far more worried about ISLAMOFASCISM than Russia.
But along came Dugin, Putin and Medvedev, the triumvirate peddlers of a romantic myth projected out of their contrived butthurt over the sheer fact the Soviet Union collapsed in the first place.
They're the ones doing the provoking, not us - but they're blaming us for their obsession with a Russian empire that even at the height of Stalin's purges never really existed outside their own heads.
You do know that literally every excuse Putin's raised for this war is bullshit, right? Even the FSB backed DNR Ombudsman said as much... in December 2020, December 2021 AND in January 2022.
The result of all the collated figures in all the monthly and annual reports collected by Russia's own proxies is shown in the diagram below:
The 2020 source data is included in an annual report, and here it is. (Opens in new window)
2020 ANNUAL REPORT of the Human Rights Ombudsman in the Donetsk People’s Republic
Pertinent pages are 20-25, so the above link jumps to page 20.
Excerpts from page 21:
Comparative diagram representing death toll, as of 1 December 2020 It is worth noting that the signing of peace agreements helped to reduce the intensity of hostilities. Thus, the number of deaths among the residents of the Donetsk People's Republic decreased by 9 times in 2017 compared to 2014, in 2019 – almost by 17 times, in 2020 – by 50 times... At the same time, a decrease in casualties among the civilian population was facilitated by the unlimited truce announced in Donbass on 21 July 2019. Since 1 January 2020, as a result of the armed conflict in the territory of the Donetsk People's Republic, 44 people have been killed (Diagram 6).
The 2021 data that should've gone into another annual summary PDF was so unfavorable to Russian propaganda that it was left obfuscated inside the monthly reports, never making it into an annual summary.
Example 1: Dec 2021 monthly report | ombudsman-dnr.ru
The overview of the current social and humanitarian situation in the territory of the Donetsk People`s Republic as a result of hostilities between 25 and 30 December 2021 Within the period between 1 January and 30 December 2021, in the territory of the DPR, 129 people sustained injuries ... 97 servicemen of the Republic and 32 civilians. Within the period between 1 January and 30 December 2021, in the territory of the DPR, 7 civilians and 70 servicemen of the Republic died ...
Example 2: Jan 2022 monthly report | ombudsman-dnr.ru
CASES OF INJURIES AND TRAUMAS OF VARYING SEVERITY AS A RESULT OF ARMED AGGRESSION BY UKRAINE IN THE TERRITORY OF THE DPR FROM JANUARY 01, 2022 TO JANUARY 28, 2022 CIVILIANS: 0 SERVICEMEN OF THE REPUBLIC: 2 IN TOTAL: 2 DEATH TOLL AS A RESULT OF ARMED AGGRESSION BY UKRAINE IN THE TERRITORY OF THE DPR FROM JANUARY 01, 2022 TO JANUARY 21, 2022 CIVILIANS: 0 SERVICEMEN: 1
There's no equivalent data summarised in the Feb 2022 monthly report because the DNR didn't want to advertise the difference between the single digit deaths in that month pre-invasion and the multi-digit numbers after it. Doing so would've conclusively proved that the invasion on a "genocide" pretext was a false flag. But you can forensically gather their metrics by reading subsequent articles, add the numbers up, and see that from December 2019 to mid-Feb 2022, there was no genocide in the Donbas. None at all. All Putin had was a "Minority Report" allegation from Pushilin to the effect of, a genocide was imminent - an allegation that has ZERO evidence to support it.
Did you read that article?
“Pavel Felgenhauer, an independent defense analyst in Moscow, says some Russian military leaders fear the U.S. missile defense system planned for installation in Poland and the Czech Republic is really intended to deploy nuclear-armed missiles.”
The article points out that (Russia knew this!) the perceived threat was from the IRANIAN direction not from itself.
And yet it feared a first strike from countries that weren’t even at war with it.
“There was a well-publicized but unpublished letter from Obama to Medvedev which apparently touched on missile defense but indicated that the United States would be willing to slow down the deployment in Poland and the Czech Republic if there were signs that Iran had agreed to halt its nuclear program.”
So Russia knew for a cast iron fact nobody was even pointing the defence measures in their direction.
But even though they knew this, they still were obsessed with the idea that this was a smokescreen to give the USA via the ex-Warsaw Pact countries a first strike capability.
Why? Because that’s what they’d have done themselves.
Because they’re stark raving mad. And you can’t legislate for madness.
Russia’s leadership was way more paranoid in 2008 than they were in the early 80s, and way angrier too. At least in the early 80s Russia had an excuse - the Cold War was still on. In 2008, there’d been a clear fifteen years of nobody in NATO pointing even so much as a rifle let alone a nuke in the general direction of Muscovy.
Putin did what he did in response to what we did.
If we have a right to object militarily what we view as threats to our exists, so does he.
Our military hardware around Russia is no different than his military hardware around us.
No. Sorry, it’s not anti-semetic to believe that liberals are evil people just because they are Jewish in their ethnicity, just as it’s not racism to believe that liberals are evil people, just because they happen to be black.
They gave up their Jewishness when they became liberals, because they rejected the Torah and went their way.
We’ve been threatening Russia by putting our military in around Russia. But you believe that we’re the good guys, when it’s been a long time since we’ve been good guys, that you think we can do that.
Do unto others, as you would have others do to you. Would you except Russia piling its military assets around America? If not, shouldn’t we give the same courtesy?
You copied an earlier comment. If you had copied my identical, but corrected comment afterwards, you would have seen that I corrected myself.
I never think well of the liberal. If we outlawed liberalism before the 20th century, we wouldn’t have had Russia, Germany, North Vietnam, North Korea and China subjugated into liberalism. We wouldn’t have had over 2 billion aborted. We wouldn’t have had the majority of major wars. Liberalism is a slave system.
It is the most evil system that mankind has ever known and it opposes God. Anybody who follows liberalism is in danger of going to hell when their judgement comes. It does not matter who their are.
Nonsense. That is the argument made by the viscerally anti-US, anti-West, and anti-capitalist — and now-designated racial justice body — Union of Concerned Scientists. Are you one of them?
Their argument — and apparently yours, as you parrot them pretty much verbatim — is that establishing a defense against something in fact creates the opportunity and motive for the possessor of that something to strike against that defense. That’s like saying a rapist is more inclined to attack a woman who has shown she will resist with deadly force such an attack.
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