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The media's credibility is shot thanks to self-inflicted wounds and Donald Trump
Fox News ^ | 11/14/2023 | Howard Kurtz

Posted on 11/14/2023 1:22:22 AM PST by thegagline

There has been plenty of talk lately about Silicon Valley abandoning the news business.

That’s largely true, but it doesn’t get to an even deeper problem: the utter erosion of public confidence in the media, which stems from a long history of self-inflicted wounds, high-profile errors and unmistakable bias.

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The newer iterations – TikTok and YouTube influencers – are now stealing some of their market share, so this blame game isn’t convincing. The mainstream media, which once monopolized the industry, have blown it. *** As Charlie Warzel put in the Atlantic: "Readers are breaking up with traditional news." *** Though I think a key missing factor here is Donald Trump. During his tumultuous presidency, circulation, clicks and ratings shot up for all news outlets. People who didn’t usually follow politics were riveted by the controversy and chaos.

It was inevitable, and Trump used to predict this, that these numbers would plunge once he gave way to the low-key presidency of Joe Biden. *** Republicans have long had less faith in the press than Democrats, but that exploded from 2017 through 2020. From the media’s hostility toward Trump during his first campaign to acting like the opposition party when he was in the White House, and intensifying after Jan. 6 and his subsequent indictments, the blatant bias against Trump was overwhelming.

Of course, he deserved some of the negative press, but most of the media began a virtual crusade against him. *** And third, Trump’s "enemy of the people" attacks on the media, and individual journalists, helped cement the narrative that the press was part of the deep state, constantly trying to undermine him.

His supporters, who generally despise the media, relished these attacks as reinforcing their world view. ***

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The MSM has always been untrustworthy. It is just more so today.

There is currently a movement among journalism schools and journalists to become advocates rather than dispassionately reporting the facts. They rationalize that the “existential threats” of “global warming deniers,” conservatives, Trump, individualism, and patriotism are so profound and so dangerous they they must be extinguished even at the cost of objective truth.

1 posted on 11/14/2023 1:22:22 AM PST by thegagline
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To: thegagline
Of course, he deserved some of the negative press

Part of the credibility problem right there. Nothing in the article supports that statement.

2 posted on 11/14/2023 2:06:34 AM PST by fruser1
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To: thegagline

The media had credibility? Not to my knowledge.


3 posted on 11/14/2023 2:15:46 AM PST by Bullish (...And just like that, I was dropped from the ping-list)
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To: thegagline

The MSM has always been untrustworthy. It is just more so today.
There is currently a movement among journalism schools and journalists to become advocates rather than dispassionately reporting the facts. They rationalize that the “existential threats” of “global warming deniers,” conservatives, Trump, individualism, and patriotism are so profound and so dangerous they they must be extinguished even at the cost of objective truth.

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I’ve never cared or had any reason to trust the American media because they aren’t neutral in the way they disseminate and present information. In fact the only way nostalgia ‘works’ with the American media, is because “as bad as they were then, they’re worse now.”(More ideological, more incompetent, and less talented.)

Many of them start getting indoctrinated about liberal crusades & causes at a young age, which is one of the reasons they pursue the profession in the first place.


4 posted on 11/14/2023 2:28:23 AM PST by unclebankster ( Globalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel)
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To: fruser1

Exactly…and “journalists” cope with their media-fueled cognitive dissonance just by doubling down on the lies.


5 posted on 11/14/2023 2:33:00 AM PST by aligncare ( Make America America Again…Trump 2024)
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“ tumultuous presidency”

There is one reason and one reason only why Trumps presidency was “tumultuous”. Because the media would not stop blowing up literally everything Donald Trump did or said, screeching non stop like an insatiable pack of hyenas barking ceaselessly at volume 11 in a non stop attempt to both drum up ratings and to more importantly undermine every single one of his goals and erode public confidence in him personally


6 posted on 11/14/2023 2:34:57 AM PST by dsrtsage ( Complexity is just simple lacking imagination)
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To: thegagline

Doesn’t Howard Kurtz work for that has-been news network, FAUX NEWS.

Why yes, he does.

The network who shot themselves in the foot and have slid into the CNN vibe.

Who would believe or even less read anything he has to say?


7 posted on 11/14/2023 2:48:30 AM PST by Lakeside Granny (IN GOD WE TRUST with TRUMP WE STAND)
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To: thegagline

Just look at Woof Bitcher at CNN and wonder why he survived when Don Lemon did not.

And Wallace, who has become an exemplary non entity after leaving Fox in a paroxysm of woke funk.

Its all so hillarious that I have to make regular visits to the urinal , laughing hard.

OTOH, new faces like Greg Gutfelt and Jesse Waters have stepped up to point the way for future journalists.


8 posted on 11/14/2023 3:18:56 AM PST by Candor7 (( Ask not for whom THE Trump trolls...He trolls for thee!)<img src=""width=500></img>)
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To: thegagline

It all starts with Trumps declaration that “FAKE news is the enemy of the people”
Who could disagree with that? Calling certain news outlets fake is self explanatory because they did lie, practically two minute hate sessions.


9 posted on 11/14/2023 3:20:59 AM PST by griswold3 (I cannot change the Tide but I can learn to Sail)
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To: thegagline

The media have been biased as hell all my life. I remember my dad going on and on about their Liberal Bias as far back as the 70s.

I remember Dan Rather getting into it on air with GHWB in the late 80s.

I remember Dan Rather first airing and then sticking with a fake story about a letter from Dubya that people on this forum proved beyond doubt (it was typed in a font that did not exist until after the supposed letter was written) that it was fake and I remember Dan Rather trying to stand by his attempted fraud which was so embarrassing even See BS had to can him.

I remember when Walter Cronkite wrote his memoirs and shock shock revealed what a radical hardcore Leftist he really was.

But back then at least some of them used to admit that while yes, the media leaned overwhelmingly Left and Democrat they had professional standards and tried to not let their personal biases interfere with their code of professionalism. (they did exactly that) but at least some of them made some attempt at objectivity.

The mask slipped completely when Obama came along in 2007. They did not even try to hide their bias anymore. They practically dropped to their knees and serviced him live on air from the first moment they saw him and did not stop for the next 9 years.

So no, it wasn’t Trump that changed things. Trump was just the first guy to openly say to everyone what we already knew to be true about the media.


10 posted on 11/14/2023 3:21:56 AM PST by FLT-bird
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To: thegagline

The Pulitzer Prize was established on the basis of advocacy journalism. The problem is public schools that have a long history of steering students away from critical thinking, among other things. Otherwise it is easy to see the MSM clown show for what it is.


11 posted on 11/14/2023 3:36:59 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew (May I please have a government shutdown?)
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To: thegagline
"Of course, he deserved some of the negative press"


12 posted on 11/14/2023 3:40:30 AM PST by Enterprise
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To: thegagline

“That virtually all original reporting comes from the likes of the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, with their vast newsrooms, and the networks, and what these others do isn’t journalism at all.”

Most of the time the “original reporting “ isn’t journalism either and that’s the problem that prompted this article. The “reporters” are known to be untrustworthy. Why believe ANYTHING they write? I don’t.


13 posted on 11/14/2023 4:20:50 AM PST by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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To: thegagline

“...helped cement the narrative that the press was part of the deep state...”

It’s not a narrative. It’s a proven fact that collaboration is going on with those in the media and Deep State.

A few years ago it was found that Andrea Mitchell created a “list” of journalist who would all share daily talking points, to be presented as news, over and over again. This group was supposedly disbanded when it was revealed to the public.

MSNBC is the most obvious. Just take a look at Banjo Boy and his adulterous wife, along with the two Twinks (Willy and Hayes) to see the foaming from the mouth propaganda.

They are going to pay a price for their malfeasance. It will start slowing then all of a sudden. Joseph Goebbels shot himself because he knew what was going to happen once he no longer had protection from the state. The same thing here.


14 posted on 11/14/2023 4:24:03 AM PST by Flavious_Maximus (Tony Fauci will be put on death row and die of COVID!)
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To: All

Truth Social
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

EDITED-—CNN just did a “Fake Breaking News” story, (leaked by Deranged Prosecutor Jack Smith and his team of Radical Left Lunatics), that various people saw papers and boxes at Mar-a-Lago.

Of course they did......boxes, papers, etc. that were openly brought from the White House, as is my right under the Presidential Records Act. I even supplied, upon request, Security Tapes to these Election Interfering Thugs.

So what about all of the papers, boxes, and documents found at NUMEROUS Joe Biden places, like his garage floor alongside his cherished Corvette, or CHINATOWN, where boxes moved freely in and out (and the U of Pennsylvania). Biden doesn’t come under the Presidential Records Act because he wasn’t President, at the time.

Jack Smith has spent over $100,000,000 investigating me on this phony Russia Scam. How much have they spent investigating Crooked Joe on his much bigger deal-—having in his possession, on private property, US govt documents?


AND THIS—Biden, as VP, was NOT entitled to have sensitive and classified US govt documents
in his possession. Did Obama give US govt documents to VP Biden? If so, for what reason? And why haven’t the presstitutes reported it?


15 posted on 11/14/2023 4:32:33 AM PST by Liz (Women have tremendous power — their femininity, because men can't do without it. Sidney Sheldon)
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To: thegagline
he MSM has always been untrustworthy. It is just more so today.

There is currently a movement among journalism schools and journalists to become advocates rather than dispassionately reporting the facts.

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Lets not leave the "distinguished and above reproach" Lester Holt out of this. This a-hole puts on the show that he is above all of this. He is the urnalist that gave killer capitol police cop (Michael Byrd) cover on national TV. He also said on another occasion that when necessary he will determine / screen the news content for accuracy before airing. You get one guess as to who he was screening. PDJT

I loathe this prick as I was exposed to him in the local Chicago "news" before he became Mr. squeaky clean nationally.

FULH

16 posted on 11/14/2023 4:34:17 AM PST by mund1011 (We can ignore reality, but we cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality)
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To: thegagline

“Of course, he deserved some of the negative press, but most of the media began a virtual crusade against him.”

Like what?


17 posted on 11/14/2023 4:37:56 AM PST by Ge0ffrey
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To: Flavious_Maximus
The Propaganda Media is guilty of illegal political contributions-in-kind, to the tune of trillions of dollars over time when considering candidates down to the local level.

They need to be charged for every penny of it.

18 posted on 11/14/2023 4:44:12 AM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: mund1011

“Lets not leave the “distinguished and above reproach” Lester Holt out of this.”

Hey! At the end of each of his nightly broadcasts he’s titled “America’s anchorman”.


19 posted on 11/14/2023 5:20:20 AM PST by cymbeline
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To: FLT-bird

You provided an excellent and accurate summary of media bias over the last 50 years. The MSM truly is the enemy of the people and has been more responsible than any entity for the downfall of America.


20 posted on 11/14/2023 5:31:12 AM PST by Dan in Wichita
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