Posted on 10/29/2023 5:28:15 PM PDT by Macho MAGA Man
DC_Draino @DC_Draino
If Mike Pence had sent the fraudulent electoral college ballots back to state legislatures for further review on J6, he would not only go down in history as a courageous American Patriot, but he would also be the heir apparent to the MAGA movement and would be #1 in GOP primary polling right now for 2024
Instead he backstabbed 74 million Americans at the moment they needed him most
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Don't be deliberately misleading. You are trying to imply that this was the will of the legislature. It was not. In many cases, they could not convene because the governor would not call for a special session. Many legislators in several states wanted to look at this, but they were all out of session and the people who needed to cooperate to make a special session would not do so.
Disagree. I believe your interpretation of what it says is just wrong.
Designating a specific office inherently imbues that office with discretionary power.
And when we ask the question "What would George Washington Do?" The answer is obvious. He wouldn't go along with a corrupt election.
It sets the precedent of intervention by the VP. Without some specific language in the 12th forbidding such intervention, it must be assumed that it is the normal understanding that the VP can intervene.
And the Nixon example isn’t relevant, either.
Sure it is. He exercised discretion. Apparently he had the right to do so. The particulars don't matter, the salient point here is that the VP had the power to do this and did it.
What part of the Constitution says who has the power to reject unqualified Presidential candidates? It doesn't mention it.
Because it doesn't mention who gets to decide whether or not a president meets the requirements for the presidency, does this mean that the requirements don't matter?
Are you being ignorant, or trying to be deliberately dishonest? Legislators tried to meet, but couldn't. Stop leaving people with the wrong idea about what happened.
In Georgia, the Governor wouldn't authorize a special session. Same thing in Pennsylvania. In Arizona, they couldn't get a quorum to initiate a special session.
You are presenting this as though the legislators *CHOSE* not to do this, instead of presenting it as it actually occurred. They tried, but were blocked at every turn.
Absolutely disagree. Jefferson did it when he was VP, so clearly the precedent exists. So did Nixon.
Yes there is. The constitution requires the electors to be chosen by the legislature of each state, not the executive branch. If the legislatures did not certify the results, they don't meet constitutional muster.
The habit has been to allow employees of the executive branch to do it, but the Constitution says "legislature."
You are dodging the point about George Washington refusing to participate in a corrupt process.
He would not have done what Pence did.
You name me a result that would be worse than what we have now. I'll wait.
What happens now?
I would suppose the whole thing gets dumped into the House of Representatives where *WE WIN!*
But I would like you to explain to me how any other result could be worse than what we actually have now.
Sounds good to me. Each state gets 1 vote. We Win.
A fellow we know as Mike Pence,
turned out to be really quite dense.
When the “vote count” was read,
he just scratched his head
and quietly said,
‘Hell, that just don’t make sense.”
“This simply don’t track
so I’m sendin’ ‘em back!”
as he winked at the Speaker
who knew t’was no squeaker
‘cause Biden’ was weaker
and knew it was just a wisecrack.
So the Republic was trashed,
and the rule of law bashed
and soon we’d all feel the pain.
As America circles the drain
or as though hit by a train!
Wonder if Mike’s check has been cashed?
+1.
Diogenes Lamp:
I would suppose the whole thing gets dumped into the House of Representatives...
Bingo!
Of course, the issue would not leave the Congress, notice of it would simply be forwarded by the chair in good manner to the affected states for clarification.
The best opinions are the issues would likely have included whether -The vote of one or more electors was not regularly given.
Upon majority vote in both chambers if a state's argument there was no statutory violation with regard to its election was not convincing its certification would not be counted.
With a bit of imagination, especially given radical and/or compromised politicians, weak politicians, a reader could conclude our form of government is very fragile.
Imagine how a VP Trump would have proceeded on Jan6 with the statutory violations and intel evidence. I suggest he would have made sure both chambers had all the time required to fully consider the question.
THANKS! Be safe as America continues to decay!
Wrong on your part.. Pence could have walked away and said F you... if that happened:
The framers of the Constitution assumed that the vice president would preside over the Senate on a regular basis, so the Senate would only need to elect a president pro tempore to fill in as presiding officer for short periods of time. That office was created in 1789.
In the absence of the vice president, the president pro tempore may administer all oaths required by the Constitution, may sign legislation, may jointly preside with the Speaker of the House when the two houses sit together in joint sessions or joint meetings, and may fulfill all other obligations of the presiding officer. Unlike the vice president, however, the president pro tempore cannot vote to break a tie in the Senate.
To add to your post..
Pence could have walked away and said F you... if that happened:
The framers of the Constitution assumed that the vice president would preside over the Senate on a regular basis, so the Senate would only need to elect a president pro tempore to fill in as presiding officer for short periods of time. That office was created in 1789.
In the absence of the vice president, the president pro tempore may administer all oaths required by the Constitution, may sign legislation, may jointly preside with the Speaker of the House when the two houses sit together in joint sessions or joint meetings, and may fulfill all other obligations of the presiding officer. Unlike the vice president, however, the president pro tempore cannot vote to break a tie in the Senate.
How? What would you do?
The body would select a new leader. There are plenty of democrats.
Not wrong at all. I did not suggest in my response to you that there would be any legal results of Pence telling them all to go f*** themselves, I said that he would have put the correct historical light on the corrupt Biden administration by starting it with a legitimacy scandal.
Could this have made the Biden Administration worse than it is now? I very greatly doubt anything could be worse than what we have now.
It is important for the public to know that Biden's "election" is utterly tainted and corrupt. It is also important for history.
As for the Law, it's still an @$$ isn't it?
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