Posted on 10/04/2023 12:19:16 PM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
I don’t particularly like responding to your belligerent and ignorant posts, but if you read the Federalist Papers and other historical documents, you’ll find that the main reason for the Constitution was to unite the States with the protection of a central goernmvnet’s military strength. yes, they were VERY concerned about foreign invasion.
That’s all from me to you on this subject.
Well, the Constitution created the United States of America. Before the Constitution, there was no United States of America (we were a bunch of independent colonies vulnerable to foreign attack).
Constitution preamble:
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
How did the people of the United States ordain and establish the Constitution before there was a United States?
To all to whom these Presents shall come, we, the undersigned Delegates of the States affixed to our Names send greeting. Whereas the Delegates of the United States of America in Congress assembled did on the fifteenth day of November in the year of our Lord One Thousand Seven Hundred and Seventy seven, and in the Second Year of the Independence of America agree to certain articles of Confederation and perpetual Union between the States of Newhampshire, Massachusetts-bay, Rhodeisland and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia in the Words following, viz. “Articles of Confederation and perpetual Union between the States of Newhampshire, Massachusetts-bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia.Article I. The Stile of this confederacy shall be, “The United States of America.”
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Mouse nuts woodpusher.
The was no United States of America before the Constitution.
Intellectual Conservatism was/is never going to be embraced by the majority. That’s not knocking it. But it’s an intellectual set of principles that scholars and political junkies like those of us on Free Republic, may embrace but whose academic subtleties don’t interest most of the public - many who may, nevertheless, ultimately agree with most of its principles.
Reagan himself built a coalition that included people who didn’t consider themselves conservatives but nevertheless supported his foreign and economic policies. In a way, Trump has followed the same playbook, but to a much greater degree. The America of 40 years ago was more conservative across the board so in that regard, Reagan’s task was easier.
Trump has found a way to build a coalition by connecting to a vast segment of the population that Republican’s never seriously courted. Trump was successful because he spoke directly instead of through insincere political speak.
Reagan attracted The Scoop Jackson Democrats, who were basically kicked out of the Pro-Soviet Democratic Party.
Yes, that’s true. Many of them were pro-union, but they were patriotic Americans who wanted no part of the weak-kneed pro-Soviet direction in which the Democratic party was heading.
As one who wrote Reagan’s biography (”Reagan: The American President”) I can state with confidence that Lincoln would not have recognized Reagan Republicanism.
Times change, styles change. GOP is still the better part for freedom, God, and America. Lots to dislike, but the DemoKKKrats were born in sin and evil (slavery) and you cannot get good fruit from a bad tree. At least the Republicans were born with a good seed-—no slavery in the territories.
Reagan was govt savvy. He picked really good people in his cabinet. Trump approached his presidency like he was dealing with the NY Contractors Assoc and the Federation of Construction Trade Unions. Threats,insults, smooth talking et al. And from listening to him it does not appear he’s learned much.
But he’d “get it” - that it is a different age and our enemies are inside the gate.
Trump approached his Presidency as public enemy number one of the Swamp he infiltrated..
A co owned R and D Swamp, btw.
Mouse nuts woodpusher. The was no United States of America before the Constitution.
Just nuts. On its face, the Constituition was ordained and established by the people of the United States.
The Paris Peace Treaty states:
In the Name of the most Holy & undivided Trinity.It having pleased the Divine Providence to dispose the Hearts of the most Serene and most Potent Prince George the Third, by the Grace of God, King of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, Defender of the Faith, Duke of Brunswick and Lunebourg, Arch-Treasurer and Prince Elector of the Holy Roman Empire etc., and of the United States of America....
Britain entered into a peace treaty with some United States of America.
The Articles of Confederation stated:
Article I. The Stile of this confederacy shall be, “The United States of America.”
There was a United States lurking there someplace.
The Constitution states:
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union....
A union more perfect than the existing union.
do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
It did not establish the United States of America, it established a new government for the United States. The People of the United States did that.
Article 2:
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President....
How could anyone be a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of the United States Constitution if the United States did not exist prior to the adoption of the Constitution?
I know of nobody who celebrates June 21, 1788 as the birth of the nation. Perhaps you are the first exception.
Well, he’s been spinning in his grave, throwing dirt everywhere.
OK the Constitution didn’t invent the name the United States of America, but it created a completely different USofA than existed before - the Free Constitutional Republics that did not exist before.
The Constitution created a completely new government than that the weak Articles of Confederation.
It don’t want to argue with you about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
This is a stupid argument. The Constitution created the Free Republic form of our government. Period. I don’t know what you are opposing here.
Trump is Trump. People don’t change much as his age. In fact I remember reading people develop their basic personality by age 4. I do see a wiser shrewder Trump but he’s always going to be blunt and bombastic I think. It’s part of who he is.
Wake up Pop, you’re snoring.
I will stick by this:
" What a ridiculous thing to say. Those "vulnerable" states just whipped ass on ( at the time ) one of the world's superpowers."
Care to respond to what I stated?
Oh, nice. I am not snoring. I am with yo momma.
Mitt has NEVER been mistaken for Ronald Wilson Reagan! Mitt is left of Jimmy Carter. No never liked his governance but better than Obama and Biden!
OK the Constitution didn’t invent the name the United States of America, but it created a completely different USofA than existed before.
Not only did the Constitution not invent the name United States of America, it did not create the nation called the United States of America.
The USA before and after the Constitution was the same country. The type of government was greatly changed and the membership was temporarily reduced to eleven states when Washington was inaugurated.
You stated the Constitution created the United States. It did not. That claim is simply wrong. Martin Van Buren became the first natural born citizen President in 1837. All before that were citizens of the United States at the time the Constitution was adopted. That fact eliminates any possibility whatever that the Constitution created the United States.
I don’t know what you are opposing here.
[Jim W N #21] But what Trump doesn’t seem to understand is THE CONSTITUTION CREATED AMERICA!
[Jim W N #55] Well, the Constitution created the United States of America.
I am opposing your repeated fallacious claim that the Constitution created the United States. The people of the United States created the Constitution. Making believe you do not know what you said is neither helpful nor persuasive.
“But what Trump doesn’t seem to understand is THE CONSTITUTION CREATED AMERICA!”
No. It was a going concern before 1787.
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