[woodpusher]

Mouse nuts woodpusher. The was no United States of America before the Constitution.

Just nuts. On its face, the Constituition was ordained and established by the people of the United States.

The Paris Peace Treaty states:

In the Name of the most Holy & undivided Trinity.

It having pleased the Divine Providence to dispose the Hearts of the most Serene and most Potent Prince George the Third, by the Grace of God, King of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, Defender of the Faith, Duke of Brunswick and Lunebourg, Arch-Treasurer and Prince Elector of the Holy Roman Empire etc., and of the United States of America....

Britain entered into a peace treaty with some United States of America.

The Articles of Confederation stated:

Article I. The Stile of this confederacy shall be, “The United States of America.”

There was a United States lurking there someplace.

The Constitution states:

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union....

A union more perfect than the existing union.

do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

It did not establish the United States of America, it established a new government for the United States. The People of the United States did that.

Article 2:

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President....

How could anyone be a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of the United States Constitution if the United States did not exist prior to the adoption of the Constitution?

I know of nobody who celebrates June 21, 1788 as the birth of the nation. Perhaps you are the first exception.

[Jim W N]

OK the Constitution didn’t invent the name the United States of America, but it created a completely different USofA than existed before - the Free Constitutional Republics that did not exist before.

The Constitution created a completely new government than that the weak Articles of Confederation.

It don’t want to argue with you about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

This is a stupid argument. The Constitution created the Free Republic form of our government. Period. I don’t know what you are opposing here.