Posted on 09/18/2023 12:00:17 PM PDT by Rattlesnake_Snook
Ukraine could have avoided hundreds of thousands of deaths and lost less land if it had reached a peace deal with Russia before the conflict began last February, former US President Donald Trump told NBC News in an interview aired on Sunday.
The loss of Ukrainian territory to Russia is “something that could have been negotiated,” Trump told NBC host Kristen Welker, adding that “a lot of people expected” Kiev to abandon its claims to “Crimea and other parts of the country” in exchange for peace.
“So they could have made a deal where there’s less territory [lost] than Russia has already taken,” Trump continued. “They could have made a deal where nobody was killed…they would have had a Ukrainian country. Now nobody even knows if Ukraine is going to be totally taken over.”
By “other parts of the country,” Trump was likely referring to the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, whose sovereignty Russian President Vladimir Putin recognized three days before Russia’s military operation in Ukraine began. Following referendums last September, both regions have now joined the Russian Federation, along with the formerly Ukrainian territories of Kherson and Zaporozhye. Crimea voted to rejoin Russia in 2014.
In one sentence you've managed to distill the essence of the mad love affair Youcrayne apologists on FR have with that hyper-corrupt craphole and its clown-like , grifting "leader."
Simply brilliant in its succinctness.
I don’t. That’s why JonPreston is a moron. He can’t understand that. Are you like him?
Russia's been fighting a busted out, corrupt fellow Eastern European craphole since Feb, 2022 and it still hasn't won the war. Think about it, but I'd say that indicates that Russia's not exactly anything close to the powerful country the Soviet Union was 40 years ago. Yet Youkazoids pretend that it's poised to rise from the ashes, become "CCCP 2.0" (as one retard Youkazoid proclaims in their tagline) and conquer Europe. What idiotic nonsense that is.
“it’s not as if this kind of crap hasn’t been going on for decades here”
Not just here, rumor has it, Du Pont sold Gun Powder to both sides behind Thomas Jefferson’s back during the Revolution...
The profiting from war con is timeless. And we just keep falling for it over and over.
If we kept oil prices low and hadn’t been talking about making Ukraine a part of NATO war might have been prevented. Nobody can say for sure, but it couldn’t have hurt.
“not true! There was never such an agreement In fact, just the opposite, it was and is understood that NATO will continue to grow as it just did with Finland joining (Sweden will join soon as well)”
Lies
“US, UK, France promised USSR not to expand NATO east of Germany, newly discovered document proves”
“Notes from a 1991 meeting prove that the US, UK, France, and Germany assured the Soviet Union that NATO would not expand east. It’s part of a growing body of evidence that the West broke its promise to Russia.”
https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2022/02/20/us-uk-france-russia-expand-nato-east-germany/
Fact is : Ukraine is being systematically depopulated, the question is by whom and for what purpose?
This is a question all should ask themselves.
NATO says otherwise:
NATO NEVER promised not to expand. THAT is a lie!
“Myth 2: NATO promised Russia it would not expand after the Cold War
Fact: Such an agreement was never made. NATO’s door has been open to new members since it was founded in 1949 – and that has never changed. This “Open Door Policy” is enshrined in Article 10 of NATO’s founding treaty, which says “any other European State in a position to further the principles of this Treaty and to contribute to the security of the North Atlantic” can apply for membership. Decisions on membership are taken by consensus among all Allies. No treaty signed by the United States, Europe and Russia included provisions on NATO membership.
The idea of NATO expansion beyond a united Germany was not on the agenda in 1989, particularly as the Warsaw Pact still existed. This was confirmed by Mikhail Gorbachev in an interview in 2014: “The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. I say this with full responsibility. Not a single Eastern European country raised the issue, not even after the Warsaw Pact ceased to exist in 1991. Western leaders didn’t bring it up, either.”
Declassified White House transcripts also reveal that, in 1997, Bill Clinton consistently refused Boris Yeltsin’s offer of a ‘gentlemen’s agreement’ that no former Soviet Republics would enter NATO: “I can’t make commitments on behalf of NATO, and I’m not going to be in the position myself of vetoing NATO expansion with respect to any country, much less letting you or anyone else do so…NATO operates by consensus.”
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/115204.htm?
By welcoming the Russian invaders?
Maybe but I see little to negotiate. Ukraine wants to be an independent & sovereign nation. Past and recent (last 100 years explain why!) Russia wants at most it as a dependency where’s the common ground to negotiate?
“NATO says otherwise:”
HAHAHAHAHAHA
“Hey we have a guy we suspect did the murder, but he claims he did not do the murder so he must be telling the truth, case closed”
That's quite funny.
Ha, Ha, Ha.
Guess nobody told those goat herders they could not defeat/run out of their country, the so-called most powerful country in the world.
So much for goat herding:-).
By the way, you apparently don't know how the Ruskies dealt with the Chechens. The same way they will deal with the Ukies.
It has been said that.. “It is good that war is so terrible lest we grow fond of it.”
Well, they have forgot how terrible it is, AND, they have grown fond of it.
Will be terrible if the west, USA included, gets hit to refresh their memories.
One nuclear exchange and Millions will die many instantly. Then, millions will suffer and die later.
NATO speaks for NATO
(if that goes over your head, seek help asap)
Germany speaks for Germany
USA speaks for USA
UK speaks for UK
Canadians have no say in our politics. Butt out.
UK, US and Germany are all NATO members so your argument means nothing
so it went over your head
you need help
no, really
CA, NY, and GA are all states in the USA
try to figure it out....
I am America first. Many Americans can’t afford health insurance. Many are homeless for whatever reason. I am for taking care of Americans before fighting unnecessary foreign wars with BORROWED money. Conservative Neocons are worse than blue dog democrats.
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