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Now Biden Wants to Deny Your Consumer’s Choice in Water Heaters
The Daily Signal ^ | September 12, 2023 | Diana Furchtgott-Roth

Posted on 09/13/2023 2:52:54 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

President Joe Biden’s proposed energy efficiency standards for water heaters, released July 21 by the Energy Department, not only would raise the cost of water heaters for consumers but take certain products off the market.

One popular tankless natural gas water heater, made by Rinnai in Griffin, Georgia, would have to be discontinued. The public has until Sept. 26 to file comments.

Beginning in 2029, the Energy Department’s proposed regulation would set government standards for all types of water heaters, including gas-fired, oil-fired, electric, and instantaneous tankless water heaters.

The proposed rule would raise standards disproportionately for tankless, gas-fired water heaters to over 91% efficiency. Trouble is, achieving this level of efficiency with noncondensing technology is impossible to do.

This change would deprive Americans of a valuable option when it comes to water heaters. Consumers could purchase electric tankless water heaters, but not the less expensive models heated with natural gas.

Rinnai, whose products are used all over the world, is headquartered in Nagoya, Japan. It set up production in Georgia in 2001 and directly employs around 350 in a factory there, benefiting local restaurants and small businesses.

Rinnai is the only company that produces tankless water heaters in the United States. Its noncondensing natural gas water heater sells for about $1,100 at Home Depot, compared to $1,800 for a 75-gallon tank.

The Energy Department’s proposed efficiency standard essentially would ban noncondensing, gas-fired, tankless water heaters because the technology of heating water with gas reaches its efficiency limit without using more expensive “condensing” technology.

Although noncondensing, gas-fired, tankless water heaters are more efficient than water heaters with tanks, the latter aren’t subject to the same standard.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: appliances; biden; bidensfault; bidenvoters; carboncult; choice; dementiajoe; efficiency; regulations; rinnai; tankless; waterheaters
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

President Joe Biden’s proposed energy efficiency standards.

Well it’s working here in LA it’s up 14%.


21 posted on 09/13/2023 3:21:21 PM PDT by Vaduz (....)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

All such “standards” issued by the energy department should haven no more force of law than does a product rating by Consumer Reports. Inform the customer and then the customer gets to make their own decision, including decisions informed by other “experts” as well as by their financial means.


22 posted on 09/13/2023 3:22:05 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: PGR88

Thomas Jefferson warned us that if a government become so corrupt that it no longer serves the Will of the People, the People have the obligation to remove it from power and replace it. I have to be honest, I think we are closer to another civil war than we have been since 1865.


23 posted on 09/13/2023 3:24:45 PM PDT by SCConservative58
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To: Republican in occupied CA
The DOE needs to go bye bye along with the ATF DEA EPA FDA and IRS.

Yep. String 'em all together and you get the equivalent of;
LBGTQ?WEBENDUOVR+

Everyone of them acting like the multi deity gods of old. Acknowledge us, worship & sacrifice to us and we'll take care of you, or else.

24 posted on 09/13/2023 3:25:55 PM PDT by Bounced2X (Boomer - I survived childhood with no bike helmet.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Any policy Biden wants put into place should actually read: The Mystery People Running the White House want to......he has no clue what is going on.


25 posted on 09/13/2023 3:26:17 PM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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26 posted on 09/13/2023 3:26:46 PM PDT by sauropod (I will stand for truth even if I stand alone.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Had to replace one in the spring. Nat gas. Home depots trusted installer wanted $1,500 min + the water heater cost. They never called back so a buddy and I did it in 4 hours. They said 3. So it took us an extra hour. 40 gal Rheem was $671. Guess by the next one it’ll be elec if assclowns has its way.


27 posted on 09/13/2023 3:30:04 PM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this💩? 🚫💉)
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To: BipolarBob
He’s not a president. He’s a dictator.

I'm pretty sure the founding father did not give this power to the fed-gov. They are simply assuming it and no one is pushing back.

28 posted on 09/13/2023 3:31:11 PM PDT by usurper (AI was born with a birth defect.)
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To: usurper

I think you’re correct.


29 posted on 09/13/2023 3:36:29 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Biden would give Jesse James the train schedule for his 10%.)
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To: rktman

$1500 dollars is robbery.


30 posted on 09/13/2023 3:38:11 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Biden would give Jesse James the train schedule for his 10%.)
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To: Republican in occupied CA

The DOE needs to go bye bye along with the ATF DEA EPA FDA and IRS.?

You forgot the FBI


31 posted on 09/13/2023 3:49:07 PM PDT by dvan (Send Them Home!Napolatono)
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To: Red6

This is what happens when you have a runaway government bureaucracy. and they are sitting on their asses with nothing to do but think up things that don’t matter.


32 posted on 09/13/2023 3:51:15 PM PDT by dvan (Send Them Home!Napolatono)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

“”the Energy Department’s proposed regulation would set government standards for all types of water heaters, including gas-fired, oil-fired, electric, and instantaneous tankless water heaters.””

I don’t see “firepit in backyard fueled by used tires.”

Let’s see, I need a small boiler, underground rated pipe, insulation...

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33 posted on 09/13/2023 3:55:19 PM PDT by TLI (ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: BipolarBob

The POTATUS is a stooge.

The dictators are the people who installed him and are hiding behind him.


34 posted on 09/13/2023 3:57:26 PM PDT by mewzilla (Never give up; never surrender!)
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To: BipolarBob

Saved me some money by DIY.


35 posted on 09/13/2023 3:57:26 PM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this💩? 🚫💉)
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To: Reverend Wright

Continuing proof, as if it were needed, that the letter after the name means jack anymore.

A pol is either loyal to our former republic or to Deep State.


36 posted on 09/13/2023 3:58:58 PM PDT by mewzilla (Never give up; never surrender!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
When I last replacement my hot water heater, I evaluated tankless options. The current heater is a 40 gallon, 40000 BTU optimized for high altitude (4600 ft) and uses existing venting built to vent that burner.

The electric tankless version requires installing some kind of backboard on a bare concrete foundation wall and more electrical capacity than I have spare on my current panel. No go.

The natural gas tankless has a 140,000 BTU burner. My venting is designed to carry 40,000 BTU. There is also an oxygen feed issue and potential carbon monoxide generation in the basement just 10 feet from where I work all day. A bid to fix the venting with higher capacity ducting and fan assist was $3,000. That doesn't include the work to physically mount the heater. Another no go.

Replacing like for like cost me $300 and my own labor. It's perfectly fine and continues to provide good service after 15 years in operation.

37 posted on 09/13/2023 4:33:19 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: rktman
Had to replace one in the spring. Nat gas. Home depots trusted installer wanted $1,500 min + the water heater cost. They never called back so a buddy and I did it in 4 hours. They said 3. So it took us an extra hour. 40 gal Rheem was $671. Guess by the next one it’ll be elec if assclowns has its way.

I was renting a room at a house in San Diego when the water heater failed. The two brothers who owned the house were construction types, but not plumbing savvy. I've replaced 10 water heaters. No big deal. Off to Home Depot for the heater and supplies. The brothers built an elevated platform to meet code requirements for a gas heater in the garage. We lifted the heater up and I took care of soldering up the copper fittings, vent and gas line. The older brother arrived with the earthquake straps. A half day project including removal, fetching new parts, installing. We grabbed a permit for the install and had the city sign it off. No big deal. Since I lived in the house, I had a dog in the fight.

38 posted on 09/13/2023 4:43:02 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: BipolarBob
$1500 dollars is robbery.

I paid 1800 dollars to replace the hot water heater in my rental. I was out of town, so it was necessary to hire a local plumber. There was a code requirement to have an overflow tank that was not part of the original electric water heater configuration. I wasn't real pleased with the price, but the work was done quickly, correctly and met code specs. My tenant was only inconvenienced for half a day. Replacing the forced air natural gas fired heater was more urgent. Temperatures were -5F when the heater failed. $4600 later, a 95% efficient replacement unit was in place. Down time for the tenant was about 4 hours.

39 posted on 09/13/2023 4:48:12 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Fascist
40 posted on 09/13/2023 4:48:43 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true . . . . . I have no proof, but they're true !)
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