Posted on 09/13/2023 2:52:54 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
President Joe Biden’s proposed energy efficiency standards for water heaters, released July 21 by the Energy Department, not only would raise the cost of water heaters for consumers but take certain products off the market.
One popular tankless natural gas water heater, made by Rinnai in Griffin, Georgia, would have to be discontinued. The public has until Sept. 26 to file comments.
Beginning in 2029, the Energy Department’s proposed regulation would set government standards for all types of water heaters, including gas-fired, oil-fired, electric, and instantaneous tankless water heaters.
The proposed rule would raise standards disproportionately for tankless, gas-fired water heaters to over 91% efficiency. Trouble is, achieving this level of efficiency with noncondensing technology is impossible to do.
This change would deprive Americans of a valuable option when it comes to water heaters. Consumers could purchase electric tankless water heaters, but not the less expensive models heated with natural gas.
Rinnai, whose products are used all over the world, is headquartered in Nagoya, Japan. It set up production in Georgia in 2001 and directly employs around 350 in a factory there, benefiting local restaurants and small businesses.
Rinnai is the only company that produces tankless water heaters in the United States. Its noncondensing natural gas water heater sells for about $1,100 at Home Depot, compared to $1,800 for a 75-gallon tank.
The Energy Department’s proposed efficiency standard essentially would ban noncondensing, gas-fired, tankless water heaters because the technology of heating water with gas reaches its efficiency limit without using more expensive “condensing” technology.
Although noncondensing, gas-fired, tankless water heaters are more efficient than water heaters with tanks, the latter aren’t subject to the same standard.
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President Joe Biden’s proposed energy efficiency standards.
Well it’s working here in LA it’s up 14%.
All such “standards” issued by the energy department should haven no more force of law than does a product rating by Consumer Reports. Inform the customer and then the customer gets to make their own decision, including decisions informed by other “experts” as well as by their financial means.
Thomas Jefferson warned us that if a government become so corrupt that it no longer serves the Will of the People, the People have the obligation to remove it from power and replace it. I have to be honest, I think we are closer to another civil war than we have been since 1865.
Yep. String 'em all together and you get the equivalent of;
LBGTQ?WEBENDUOVR+
Everyone of them acting like the multi deity gods of old. Acknowledge us, worship & sacrifice to us and we'll take care of you, or else.
Any policy Biden wants put into place should actually read: The Mystery People Running the White House want to......he has no clue what is going on.
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Had to replace one in the spring. Nat gas. Home depots trusted installer wanted $1,500 min + the water heater cost. They never called back so a buddy and I did it in 4 hours. They said 3. So it took us an extra hour. 40 gal Rheem was $671. Guess by the next one it’ll be elec if assclowns has its way.
I'm pretty sure the founding father did not give this power to the fed-gov. They are simply assuming it and no one is pushing back.
I think you’re correct.
$1500 dollars is robbery.
The DOE needs to go bye bye along with the ATF DEA EPA FDA and IRS.?
You forgot the FBI
This is what happens when you have a runaway government bureaucracy. and they are sitting on their asses with nothing to do but think up things that don’t matter.
“”the Energy Department’s proposed regulation would set government standards for all types of water heaters, including gas-fired, oil-fired, electric, and instantaneous tankless water heaters.””
I don’t see “firepit in backyard fueled by used tires.”
Let’s see, I need a small boiler, underground rated pipe, insulation...
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The POTATUS is a stooge.
The dictators are the people who installed him and are hiding behind him.
Saved me some money by DIY.
Continuing proof, as if it were needed, that the letter after the name means jack anymore.
A pol is either loyal to our former republic or to Deep State.
The electric tankless version requires installing some kind of backboard on a bare concrete foundation wall and more electrical capacity than I have spare on my current panel. No go.
The natural gas tankless has a 140,000 BTU burner. My venting is designed to carry 40,000 BTU. There is also an oxygen feed issue and potential carbon monoxide generation in the basement just 10 feet from where I work all day. A bid to fix the venting with higher capacity ducting and fan assist was $3,000. That doesn't include the work to physically mount the heater. Another no go.
Replacing like for like cost me $300 and my own labor. It's perfectly fine and continues to provide good service after 15 years in operation.
I was renting a room at a house in San Diego when the water heater failed. The two brothers who owned the house were construction types, but not plumbing savvy. I've replaced 10 water heaters. No big deal. Off to Home Depot for the heater and supplies. The brothers built an elevated platform to meet code requirements for a gas heater in the garage. We lifted the heater up and I took care of soldering up the copper fittings, vent and gas line. The older brother arrived with the earthquake straps. A half day project including removal, fetching new parts, installing. We grabbed a permit for the install and had the city sign it off. No big deal. Since I lived in the house, I had a dog in the fight.
I paid 1800 dollars to replace the hot water heater in my rental. I was out of town, so it was necessary to hire a local plumber. There was a code requirement to have an overflow tank that was not part of the original electric water heater configuration. I wasn't real pleased with the price, but the work was done quickly, correctly and met code specs. My tenant was only inconvenienced for half a day. Replacing the forced air natural gas fired heater was more urgent. Temperatures were -5F when the heater failed. $4600 later, a 95% efficient replacement unit was in place. Down time for the tenant was about 4 hours.
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