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Church of England Archbishop Says the Lord's Prayer is 'Problematic'
PJ Media ^ | July 8, 2023 | CHRIS QUEEN

Posted on 07/08/2023 9:36:30 AM PDT by lowbridge

Even people who aren’t otherwise familiar with the Bible tend to know it, and often on movies and television, when we see someone praying, it’s the Lord’s Prayer.

We find the most familiar text of the Lord’s Prayer in Matthew 6:9-13 in the King James Version:

Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Give us this day our daily bread.

And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

But one leader in the Church of England has come to the conclusion that the Lord’s Prayer is “problematic,” and I bet you can guess why.

“The archbishop of York has suggested that opening words of the Lord’s Prayer, recited by Christians all over the world for 2,000 years, may be ‘problematic’ because of their patriarchal association,” the Guardian reports.

“I know the word ‘father’ is problematic for those whose experience of earthly fathers has been destructive and abusive, and for all of us who have laboured rather too much from an oppressively patriarchal grip on life,” Stephen Cottrell said in his opening address to a meeting of the Church of England’s General Synod.

As you could probably expect, Cottrell’s offhand remark created some ripples. According to one female Anglican priest, Cottrell “put his finger on an issue that’s a really live issue for Christians and has been for many years.” She continued, “The big question is, do we really believe that God believes that male human beings bear his image more fully and accurately than women? The answer is absolutely not.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
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1 posted on 07/08/2023 9:36:30 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge

God tells you his pronouns, and you want to dead name him.


2 posted on 07/08/2023 9:37:41 AM PDT by Bayard
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To: lowbridge
Depends on the context. If He's saying, "Hey, don't let a problem with an earthly father mess up what ya think of the Heavenly Father because He's the real deal", then I can agree with that.

But if he's saying God meets some kind of non-binary, pedo-grooming, hedonist standard then -- nope.

3 posted on 07/08/2023 9:39:38 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: lowbridge

Ah, modern times. Most politicians, clergy, CEOs...et al. Wipe them out. All of them. (to paraphrase Emperor Palpetine)


4 posted on 07/08/2023 9:41:54 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: lowbridge

5 posted on 07/08/2023 9:44:28 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: lowbridge
Jesus Christ didn't make a mistake!

He didn't come to make peace or protect the feelings of this misguided prelate.

6 posted on 07/08/2023 9:45:28 AM PDT by G Larry (It is RACIST to impose SLAVE WAGES on LEGAL Immigrants by importing Cheap ILLEGAL Labor!)
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To: lowbridge
Where to begin. There is one religion, Christianity. All others are false. If a man does not follow Christ, he has nothing to do with God. That's plain Bible teaching.

Further, not everyone who claims to follow Christ has anything to do with Christ. Also, plain Bible teaching.

For example, baptism. It's essential to be saved. But, what is it? It's is a burial. The word itself means to "dip, immerse, plunge." The Ethiopian eunuch was baptized by Philip the Evangelist. (Acts 8) They both "went down into the water."

Sprinkling is not baptism. Pouring is not baptism. No person who has substituted either of those for baptism have, in fact, been baptized. Hence, are not following Christ. Hence, are not saved.

The list goes on and the individual referenced in the OP, sure, the Lord's prayer is a problem. But, for him, following Christ is a problem because he does not follow Christ. Never has.

Matt 7:21-23: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

7 posted on 07/08/2023 9:47:06 AM PDT by LouAvul (Daniel 4:17: "..the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever He will.." )
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To: lowbridge

Leftists ruin everything.


8 posted on 07/08/2023 9:51:57 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn (“Giving money & power to government is like giving whiskey & car keys to teenage boys” P.J. O’Rourke)
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To: lowbridge

So this guy thinks he’s smarter than Jesus.


9 posted on 07/08/2023 9:53:27 AM PDT by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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To: lowbridge

The Founders were correct, we did need to disestablish from this.


10 posted on 07/08/2023 9:54:11 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (The historians must be stopped. They're destroying everything.)
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To: lowbridge
She continued, “The big question is, do we really believe that God believes that male human beings bear his image more fully and accurately than women? TheMy answer is absolutely not.”

Is this where I can say: "She has her panties in a knot over nothing."

11 posted on 07/08/2023 9:57:05 AM PDT by econjack
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To: lowbridge
What I want to know is why in this article does God speak like Shakespeare?;-)

Is God saying that He prefers Shakespeare to say Hemingsway's style of writing?

12 posted on 07/08/2023 9:59:24 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (See my FR homepage for a link to the entire Bible narrated by David Suchet on youtube. FREE!)
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To: lowbridge

First they allow women pastors. Then a “Christian” leader calls something problematic. Then the sheep follow this demonically influenced leader. Then governments step in. Then oppression of followers of Jesus sets in. The demonic leaders rejoice.


13 posted on 07/08/2023 10:01:53 AM PDT by vpintheak (There is no Trans. There is only mentally ill)
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To: lowbridge

It’s the archbishop’s opinion. It’s OK, everybody has one. I, for instance, find the archbishop problematic.


14 posted on 07/08/2023 10:03:39 AM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: lowbridge

The Church of England started because Henry VIII couldn’t get the Pope to grant him a divorce from his legal wife, Catherine of Aragon. So he started a church, made himself head of it, divorced her, exiled Queen Catherine, when she died would not let her be buried as a Queen, couldn’t get an heir to the throne from his second wife either, Ann Boleyn, beheaded her, cheated on all of them anyway, on and on...

That was the beginning of a church that now has an Archbishop saying the Our Father prayer, instructed to us from Jesus, is wrong.


15 posted on 07/08/2023 10:05:08 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: lowbridge

I am always glad when an elightened cleric comes along and sets us straight on the errors committed by the church for the past 2000 years, including those committed by Jesus himself.

I believe the attendance in the C of E is something less than 5% of the population, so we are getting close to an “if a tree falls in the woods and there is no one to hear it...” moment.


16 posted on 07/08/2023 10:17:29 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (The more I learn about people, the more I like my dog. )
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To: G Larry

Amen 🙏🏻!!!!


17 posted on 07/08/2023 10:19:23 AM PDT by No name given (Anonymous is who you’ll know me as)
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To: SharpRightTurn

Indeed, they’re not even human!


18 posted on 07/08/2023 10:20:00 AM PDT by No name given (Anonymous is who you’ll know me as)
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To: lowbridge

The only problem with praying The Lord’s Prayer is that it is unnecessary to pray “Thy Kingdom Come”.

It’s already here.


19 posted on 07/08/2023 10:24:01 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: lowbridge
“I know the word ‘father’ is problematic for those whose experience of earthly fathers has been destructive and abusive, and for all of us who have laboured rather too much from an oppressively patriarchal grip on life,”

I think the title "archbishop" is problematic when a moron like Stephen Cottrell has it.

20 posted on 07/08/2023 10:26:44 AM PDT by CommerceComet ("You know why there's a Second Amendment? In case, the government forgets the first." Rush Limbaugh )
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