Posted on 07/01/2023 9:09:44 AM PDT by AndyJackson
.... Russia’s continued strike campaign in 2023 has made one thing quite clear: it is unrealistic to expect Russia to ever “run out” of missiles. Despite sanctions and export controls, it appears likely that Russia will be able to produce or otherwise acquire the long-range strike capacity necessary to inflict significant damage upon Ukraine’s people, economy, and military. Ukraine’s air defenses have performed remarkably well under challenging circumstances. Nevertheless, the Russian military has continued trying to identify gaps and seams to exploit to gain an advantage.
There is no one-off fix for this problem. Sanctions and export controls can, at most, limit the quantity and quality of strike assets Russia can acquire. The most reliable counter is sustained Western support for Ukrainian air defense forces for the duration of the conflict. The continued, steady provision of air defenses into the foreseeable future will save lives, reduce costs of future reconstruction, and help end the war more quickly by enabling Ukraine’s counteroffensive in the face of superior Russian airpower. Moreover, providing air defenses has also forced Western countries to scale up production of these systems, which could have long-term benefits for Western defense readiness.....
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If you have proof, share it.
Why are you rooting for Russia?
Two Ukrainian General Officers KIA. Fifty other Mers and assorted NATO Instructors....
To steal a sentence from Gorsuch, you have “g[otten] so turned around about the facts that [you] open fire on [your] own position. I am not the first here to point it out. Many other have noticed this fault in you. Nevertheless, when it is pointed out you immediately invoke the “rules” based order and appeal the UN disinformation suppression commission [er. JR here, but it is the same idea]. Sorry you are a little NWO leftist who can’t defend his own position and has to call in mommy.
No I don’t have proof. It is a sarcastic response to some idiot who claims that so far there are not Westerners in Ukraine. Go fight with the guy who invented it, not me. I know better.
>>Why are you rooting for Russia?<<<
I’m just watching like everyone else. I don’t care who wins or loses. But it does bother me that our country is antagonizing Russia. I don’t even understand why NATO still exists since the soviet union and the warsaw pact are a thing of the past.
Russia is on the decline. In 20 years it will have 15 million fewer citizens and half the population will be Muslim. They are no threat to us if we leave them be. Now if Joe Biden does something like send in troops to defend part of Ukraine from Russia.....all bets are off. And for what? Russian and Ukraine are the two most corrupt countries in Europe. Should we defend one corrupt country against the other? Meanwhile should the Chinese invade Taiwan our stock of munitions has been severely depleted because of our support for Ukraine. Thanks Uncle Joe!
And while Ukraine has no strategic importance to America, Taiwan surely does.
As are Russians.
Correct. But we promised Ukraine that we will support them and that we have their back according to the Bucharest Memorandum. It's the right thing to do.
Like I said Russia has a superior military and more men to throw into a battle of attrition
Russia doesn’t have a superior military because they are stalemated by a much smaller country that is playing catch up on every level and still winning.
Yes it’s a tragedy to be attacked and have to fight for your freedom.
Does Ukraine have anything other than a token Air Force ??
Does Ukraine have anywhere near the number of people to throw into the war compared to Russia ??
The answer to both questions is NO, that’s my point and why Russia has the superior military.
Russia is not a totally professional military but they have significantly more capabilities and manpower than Ukraine and in a war of attrition means they are superior.
Looks like you will believe anything.
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Yeah like actual statistics complied by Russia long ago. The real numbers are in some back issue of the daily thread “Attack on Europe”.
Let’s agree to disagree on what is the right thing to do. My position is that the right thing to do was nothing as that was the best outcome for Ukraine.
Joe Biden appears to be willing to fight to the last Ukrainian.
However, had Joe Biden told Ukraine at the start of this war they were on their own, Ukraine would have capitulated to Russia. They would have lost relatively little since all Russia was wanting was self rule for the donbass and luhansk and to get some hard guarantee of neutrality in regards to NATO for Ukraine.
When Russia is done with this they will probably take all of Ukraine east of the Dnieper River as well as the north coast of the Black Sea, including the City of Odessa.
How many hundreds of thousand of dead and wounded Ukrainians will it take for Ukraine to finally collapse is subject to debate. But they are already recruiting young teenagers and old men. The end is near for them is it not?
I don't think that we should be giving Ukraine a blank check or fight to the last Ukrainian. We should give Ukraine all the arms they need to beat Russia. But if we feel that Russia is going to hold on to the occupied territories, it is in our interest to tell Ukraine to wrap this thing up.
This war may end up like the Korean War. A cease fire. Both armies facing off against each other at the DMZ.
Can you point us to where Putin or any Russian leader said it would be a 3 day SMO? That was never stated or believed. It came straight out of DC as a talking point because they deduced that’s how long it would have taken us. (Because you know, we never need more than three days /s)
Certain posters would rather argue over minutiae than sense of things. More so when excusing or avoiding the subject of Russia using its most advanced missiles to exclusively attack civilian targets.
Sure they were. Grab a photo of any two random young girls. Say they were killed in the strike on NATO/Uke HQ.
Easy propaganda.
Except they aren’t winning.
Your view is simplistic.
I don’t predict the outcome of the war. Maybe they will win but they aren’t.
If you believe we “lost” Afghanistan, as did the Russians, then the larger “superior” army does not always win a war of attrition.
https://theduran.locals.com/index.php
Some good war porn, showing Vlad’s sophisticated weaponry. Ivan’s Alligator rules the ground….the KA52 with Ivan’s remote mine laying capabilities made history and was dubbed “ Bradley Square” across the world ( western MSM has not acknowledged the famous “ humorous “ title- but the world has taken notice), basically due to the huge amount of US Bradley’s permanently “ retired”.
Again stronk fact based response
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