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Military Members Kicked Out for Refusing COVID Vaccine Seek to Have Their Discharges Upgraded
Epoch Times ^ | June 20, 2023 | J.M. Phelps

Posted on 06/21/2023 6:16:43 AM PDT by george76

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1 posted on 06/21/2023 6:16:43 AM PDT by george76
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From what I have read, the FDA-approved Cominarty vaccine was NEVER available. Big Pharma played a bait and switch on the unsuspecting public.


2 posted on 06/21/2023 6:29:36 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (It's science and therefore cannot be questioned!)
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It’s been decades since I enlisted so my memory may be faulty but I sure don’t remember being axed by anyone whether I wanted shots/vax or not. It was, “get your ass in line and get it in both arms, multiple times in each arm” and if you pass out or puke, you’re a p***y.


3 posted on 06/21/2023 6:33:30 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Celebrating 42 years of sobriety this year, thank you Heavenly Father.)
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Despicable behavior by the ‘leadership’ who forced good people out over this.


4 posted on 06/21/2023 6:34:41 AM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic... )
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To: george76

Another example of how leftists prosecute and attempt to wreck conservatives. Every step of the way is vehemently political for leftists.


5 posted on 06/21/2023 6:44:37 AM PDT by inchworm (al )
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To: Graybeard58

I suspect that telling the troops about the shot was a concerted attempt to rid the forces of people who would not mindlessly obey and submit. Because, as you said, otherwise they’d just be told “go there and get a shot.”


6 posted on 06/21/2023 6:45:39 AM PDT by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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To: Graybeard58

Those were actual vaccines not phonied up DNA lifechangers that were never vetted properly.


7 posted on 06/21/2023 6:45:53 AM PDT by ABN 505 (Right is right if nobody is right, and wrong is wrong if everybody is wrong. ~Archbishop Fulton John)
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The only real issue is that there is no way to deny that lawful orders were disobeyed.

Notwithstanding that the whole vaccine mess was a scam and potentially dangerous, at the time - lawful order, disobeyed.

Sucks, but these people need to be grateful they didn’t get polluted.


8 posted on 06/21/2023 6:46:55 AM PDT by larrytown (A Cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do. Then they graduate...)
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To: Magnum44

It’s almost as if a foreign enemy was trying to damage our military.


9 posted on 06/21/2023 6:47:45 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: Graybeard58

True
But also remember those vaccines you got had been used for years And were FDA approved
Not the emergency label the covid jab got

Not the same thing at all
Thank you for serving


10 posted on 06/21/2023 6:51:45 AM PDT by RWGinger (LGB)
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To: markomalley; DYngbld; TADSLOS; xsrdx; big'ol_freeper; Mark17; mikefive; JDoutrider; ...

Ping.


11 posted on 06/21/2023 6:52:12 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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What should this say about Democrat Lloyd Austin Secretary of Defense?

More than that, was Lloyd Austin the Author of the mandate or did Illegal decision go even higher up the chain?

There are literally thousands of former military suffering from such separations from the various services including the Coast Guard.

The results, bad press and bad recruitment numbers. All for what?


12 posted on 06/21/2023 6:52:44 AM PDT by wita (Under oath since 1966 in defense of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness)
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To: Graybeard58
It’s been decades since I enlisted so my memory may be faulty but I sure don’t remember being axed by anyone whether I wanted shots/vax or not. It was, “get your ass in line and get it in both arms, multiple times in each arm” and if you pass out or puke, you’re a p***y.

People got smarter since then. I witnessed pilots refusing to get the non-FDA approved Anthrax shots. They were threatened but came back with their lawyers. The brass was wrong and knew it, so they quietly stood down on the illegal order.

I also witnessed a military member refusing to take shots they didn't need because their AFSC (MOS for those non-Air Force) was not deployable (deployment being the excuse to force injections on people). The commander (O-6) gave him an illegal order to get a shot, the senior NCO refused, and the whole situation went sideways.

The senior NCO was exonerated in the court martial he requested in lieu of what would have been a career-ending Letter of Reprimand. The commander's career was over since he was never going to make general. He deserved much worse. It wasn't just an illegal order, it was one given against the advice of some very sharp junior officers and Senior NCOs who tried to keep him shooting himself in the foot.

13 posted on 06/21/2023 6:58:46 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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If I was in their situation, I don't know if I'd ever want my discharge changed. I'd frame the other-than-honorable discharge paperwork and not help cover over their crime.

I'd take one last photo in my uniform with the "U.S." reattached upside down, hang it up, and never look back.

14 posted on 06/21/2023 7:03:32 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: Graybeard58

That’s accurate by my 1988 memory


15 posted on 06/21/2023 7:03:47 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deo et Vives)
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To: Graybeard58

I was a hazmat team leader and received multiple vaccinations every year. None of them seemed to have any negative effects other than an occasional sore arm. But as others have pointed out these were properly vetted, not some sort of bizarre science experiment. I was retired before this nonsense, and I know a lot of firefighters and other medical personnel who lost their careers or had to quit to avoid being fired over this.

They were all people who were caring for people with Covid for months before these “vaccines” became available and had developed natural immunity after becoming exposed multiple times and sometimes infected. It is obvious to pretty much everyone with even a rudimentary education in medicine that if you have already developed antibodies to an infectious agent that even a legitimate vaccine is no longer necessary and likely counterproductive. When supervisors are demanding compliance without any justification based on politics and not science it completely undermines any actual authority that they have.

All branches of the military have lost a lot of good people over this crap. Recruiting numbers are now in the toilet and top of our officer corps has evolved into a bunch of woke idiots. Our readiness to defend our country against foreign invaders has been severely compromised. Our commander and chief and his family have been bribed and influenced by our enemies. What a mess!


16 posted on 06/21/2023 7:08:18 AM PDT by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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The ones who ordered the mass poisonings are the ones who should be given dishonorable discharges. Well, before they are led to the gallows.


17 posted on 06/21/2023 7:15:13 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: larrytown
The only real issue is that there is no way to deny that lawful orders were disobeyed. Notwithstanding that the whole vaccine mess was a scam and potentially dangerous, at the time - lawful order, disobeyed.

You sound like you've been drinking the water at Camp Lejeune.

The order was not lawful. The Jim Jones Jab is NOT a vaccine.

Forcing experimental treatment on individuals was specifically addressed in the permissible experiments section of the Nuremberg Code in 1947. There are graves in our cemeteries of those who fought and died to stop Nazism and to ignore this code is to spit on their graves. Here are some of the more salient points of the Nuremberg Code (http://www.cirp.org/library/ethics/nuremberg/).

"The great weight of the evidence before us to effect that certain types of medical experiments on human beings, when kept within reasonably well-defined bounds, conform to the ethics of the medical profession generally. The protagonists of the practice of human experimentation justify their views on the basis that such experiments yield results for the good of society that are unprocurable by other methods or means of study. All agree, however, that certain basic principles must be observed in order to satisfy moral, ethical and legal concepts:"

"The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision."

"The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs, or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity."

"The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury."

"Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability or death."

"The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment."

"During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible."

18 posted on 06/21/2023 7:17:48 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: larrytown

The order was not lawful since it was experimental and federal law prohibits mandatory use of the drug.


19 posted on 06/21/2023 7:19:17 AM PDT by CodeToad (No Arm up! They have!)
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Below is the very first sentence of Point 1 (of 10) of the Nuremburg Agreement:

The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.

20 posted on 06/21/2023 7:23:17 AM PDT by libertylover (Our biggest problem, by far, is that almost all of big media is AGENDA-DRIVEN, not-truth driven.)
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