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NATO-trained units will serve as tip of spear in Ukraine’s counteroffensive
The Washington Post ^ | June 4, 2023 | Isabelle Khurshudyan and Kamila Hrabchuk

Posted on 06/04/2023 3:56:22 AM PDT by Timber Rattler

When Ukraine’s long-awaited counteroffensive finally begins, the fight will be led by brigades armed not only with Western weapons but also Western know-how, gleaned from months of training aimed at transforming Ukraine’s military into a modern force skilled in NATO’s most advanced warfare tactics.

As other Ukrainian units were fighting to expel the Russian occupiers from the country’s east and south, the brand-new 47th Separate Mechanized Brigade was preparing for the next phase of war from a classroom at a NATO base in Germany.

The brigade’s leadership trained with computers that simulated situations they might face in real life. Deputy commander Maj. Ivan Shalamaha and others planned their assaults and then let the program show them the results — how their Russian enemies might respond, where they could make a breakthrough and where they would suffer losses.

“You understand the overall picture, how it works,” Shalamaha said. “You understand where and what your shortcomings were. And we pay attention to what we failed to do during this simulation.”

Now the war games are over. The 47th brigade and other assault units have been armed with Western weapons, including Bradley infantry fighting vehicles, and relocated to a secret location closer to the front line. During a recent visit by Washington Post journalists, the soldiers were waiting for the order to charge ahead to retake a large swath of Ukrainian territory and tip the war back in Kyiv’s favor.

The counteroffensive will be the biggest test yet of the U.S.-led strategy of giving the Ukrainians weapons and training to fight like an American army might — but on their own.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia; Ukraine
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To: AndyJackson
But this makes no sense.

It makes "no sense" to you that both sides are building the size of their armies in day 464 of Putin's invasion?

41 posted on 06/04/2023 5:30:05 AM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: tlozo
our regional enemy russia

Russia is only "our" regional enemy if we view Eastern Europe as "our" region - and that's the little reveal regarding our treasure going for global empire that is rather chaffing a lot of your fellow countrymen.

42 posted on 06/04/2023 5:30:49 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: tlozo

What makes no sense is needing a new army when you keep telling me the old army was already victorious. Now just get your fibs straight and maybe you will get more respect around here.


43 posted on 06/04/2023 5:31:59 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson
Russia is only "our" regional enemy if we view Eastern Europe as "our" region -

Right, so Reagan was wrong to confront the Soviets? Wow

44 posted on 06/04/2023 5:33:44 AM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: tlozo
Yes, russia the #2 military in the world knows in day 464 of its invasion of Ukraine how to fight with WW1 style trench tactics. This you seem to find remarkable.

However you wish to denigrate Russia's tactics, they are winning against NATO weapons systems and training.

45 posted on 06/04/2023 5:36:29 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (This is the end of the Republic....because we could not keep it.)
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To: Timber Rattler

You people want a nuclear war, don’t you. Screw the Ukraine and screw Russia. Leave them be and let them sort it out.


46 posted on 06/04/2023 5:37:07 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you. )
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To: tlozo

You are really really reaching now. Because Reagan opposed Soviet “global” expansionism, I must support a forever war designed by our good global imperialsists to dismember Russia. Right. Can we please have your cooridinates to feed to the Russians so when we start a nuclear war over YOUR globohomo mess, Putin will target yor city and leave me out of this.


47 posted on 06/04/2023 5:39:05 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: buwaya
"Most of what goes on in the world is independent of US political conflicts. It's an extremely parochial view to evaluate everything this way."

It's disappointing how many are treating Ukraine as if it is Democrat/Republican gang fight beyond our borders. More so when posters should know better.

48 posted on 06/04/2023 5:39:39 AM PDT by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 Sláva Ukrayíni! 🇺🇦 ☭ No CCCP 2.0 ☭)
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To: AndyJackson
What makes no sense is needing a new army when you keep telling me the old army was already victorious.

Right in WW2 when it was clear the nazis would loose, the US immediately stopped building planes and tanks and training men. Idiocy

49 posted on 06/04/2023 5:39:48 AM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: tlozo

Do you truly believe either side gives a damn about the Ukrainian people?

This is all about grift and who gets to skim off from Ukraine’s natural resources via native Ukrainian corruption.

There is no desire to deliver a true, free republic in the end of this war with individual liberty and guaranteed natural rights for citizens of Ukraine.


50 posted on 06/04/2023 5:41:06 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (This is the end of the Republic....because we could not keep it.)
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To: Timber Rattler

——The brigade’s leadership ——The most meaningful incompetence of the Russian invaders is the lack and eccective absence of a command structure. The troops are placed in the field, civen orders and that is the last commanders are seen.

At the front, in the trenches, there is no command to evaluate or oversee events. Corruption has destroyed the command structure and rendered it pretty much worthless.


51 posted on 06/04/2023 5:41:08 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day )
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To: tlozo
Let me ask a question. Which globalist do you support for President. Trump has taken the factual and policy position that you oppose. So, who should be President since Trump doesn't support your global war either.

Who?

52 posted on 06/04/2023 5:41:38 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson

We don’t know the truth. What we are told by these neocon shills is just a bunch of lies...

Yep Here’s what I do understand...Russia did not want Ukraine to join NATO and have the bully at its doorstep. Ukraine didn’t join NATO. But NATO countries are supporting and funding this war. So who is the bad guy? hmmmm


53 posted on 06/04/2023 5:42:37 AM PDT by mouse1
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To: Erik Latranyi
However you wish to denigrate Russia's tactics, they are winning against NATO weapons systems and training.

LOL, its russia "winning" in day 464 against limited supplied NATO surplus weapons, which doesn't include NATO jets, cruise missile, etc.

54 posted on 06/04/2023 5:43:22 AM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: Timber Rattler
Tip of the spear

So what makes up the main body of this effort since the NATO trained new Ukie army is just the tip of this offensive?

We need to know.

55 posted on 06/04/2023 5:43:48 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Vaquero

We are letting them sort it out. We’re simply sending weapons to make it a fair fight.

We could just wipeout Russian airpower if we wanted, but it’s not our fight. The Russians have screwed the pooch and now the world knows they are a paper tiger. This is not your WW2 Russian Army that your grandfather knew.

This is Putin’s failed military, failed leadership and failed country.


56 posted on 06/04/2023 5:44:18 AM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: AndyJackson

Heh.

Outright propaganda, of the intelligent sort, is generally constructed from facts, selected for effect. Add in a few lies.

Blundering through this media environment in a self righteous rage is uninformative. Since all sources (all of them, there are no saints or innocents) seek to influence you using the same techniques, there is no single source of truth. You have to evaluate information, or concede that you can know nothing.

This has always been the case, probably since the Sumerian priest kings began boasting of their victories.

“Ush, ruler of Umma, acted unspeakably.”
“He ripped out that stele (a border marker) and marched toward the plain of Lagaš.”
“Ningirsu, warrior of Enlil (a Sumerian god), at his just command, made war with Umma.”
“At Enlil’s command, he threw his great battle net over it and heaped up burial mounds for it on the plain.”

etc, from the Cone of Entemena, @2400 BC


57 posted on 06/04/2023 5:45:45 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: glorgau
Here comes the Spring Offensive! Ooops, Here comes the Summer Offensive!

Shhhh! We are announcing our secret offensive!

58 posted on 06/04/2023 5:46:20 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is ████ █ ██████ ███████ ███ ██████ ██ ████████. FJB.)
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To: mouse1

Mearsheimer has several talks on what is really going on here and who the bad guys are and what happens when you get in a war with someone who has a 10:1 artillery advantage over you. But Mearsheimer is apparently a Putin lover too so I have to rely on the Post to tell me who the bad guy is, I guess. One thing we are not to do is to make up our own minds about who the bad guys are. It sure isn’t the bully shoving his own team around to keep them in line.


59 posted on 06/04/2023 5:47:22 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: mouse1
Russia did not want Ukraine to join NATO and have the bully at its doorstep. Ukraine didn’t join NATO. But NATO countries are supporting and funding this war. So who is the bad guy?

Moronic statement. russia was being "bullied" by Lithuania, Estonia or Latvia being in NATO?

Bad guys are people like Hitler or Putin who invade neighboring countries for territorial expansion.

60 posted on 06/04/2023 5:47:52 AM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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