Posted on 03/31/2023 1:48:04 PM PDT by Cronos
Finland will formally be welcomed into Nato “within days” after Turkey’s ratification of the Nordic country’s accession to the western defence alliance, the Nato secretary general has announced.
“All 30 Nato allies have now ratified the accession protocol,” Jens Stoltenberg said on Friday. “Finland will formally join our alliance in the coming days.”
The move brings to an end decades of Finnish neutrality over Nato, and has been driven by concern over Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Finland shares a border with Russia.
In a statement after the Turkish vote, the Finnish government said joining the alliance would strengthen the country’s security and improve stability and security in the region. ...Finland’s imminent accession to Nato came as Russia said on Friday that a ceasefire in Ukraine would not enable it to achieve the goals of its “special military operation” at the moment.
The Kremlin was reacting after the Belarusian president, Alexander Lukashenko – Russia’s closest ally – called for an immediate ceasefire without preconditions, and for Moscow and Kyiv to start negotiations on a lasting peace settlement.
...Finland’s move to joining Nato marks a staggering turn around in public opinion in the country. Before Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, only a third of Finns supported joining Nato. Russia’s war on Ukraine led almost overnight to support for joining becoming an overwhelming majority.
The move by Finland and Sweden to join Nato – condemned by Moscow as driven by Russophobic hysteria – is a severe blow to the Kremlin, which had justified its war against Ukraine by citing Nato expansion on its borders, but which ironically has driven more countries to join Nato.
(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...
—> What required contribution?
This will break it down for you:
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_67655.htm
All are crucial.
Why don’t you just tell me how much Finland is required to give?
Ok.
ZERO
They aren’t in NATO yet.
Are your posts about the 2% of GDP?
No ansel. Did you read the link about direct contributions to nato?
“”If they paid their required defense contribution to NATO and the US didn’t subsidize it all,
I’d think it was a good thing. Is it worth the estimated $120 billion to the US to add them?
No.
I was hoping you could explain your post, but so far with no luck.
Then it is not the Inns fault that the USA doesn’t call, is it?
Or you expect Finland to send in troops to the USA without asking?
“If they (Finns) paid their required defense contribution to NATO”
They do meet the 2% of GDP requirement, and exceed it in Several ways, including mandatory Military service.
They also bring several unique advantages to NATO - commanding terrain close to St. Petersburg and Murmansk, expertise in the high Arctic, world class shipbuilding capability (particularly ice breakers), and intimate familiarity with Russian culture and Military practice. They also field the largest active duty Artillery force in Europe.
Finland spent 2.03% of their GDP on defense in 2021. That meets the requirement. Defense spending in 2023 is projected to be 2.25% of GDP.
Per that article, the direct contribution to NATO is 0.3% of NATO members’ defense spending. Applying that 0.3% to Finland’s 2023 defense budget we come up with US $183 million.
Chump change.
They likely already spend more than that on the cooperation they’ve already been doing with NATO countries including the US, for years.
Finland increased their 2023 defense budget by 20% — somehow it seems likely that they can wrangle 1.5% of said increase to help fund NATO.
Besides, the strategic and tactical advantages of having Finland in NATO are worth at least several billion dollars a year.
You’re not wrong but in all seriousness how does NATO prove it’s not a colonial power and is only defensive by not honoring obligations to Ukraine that Russia as well as the USA and UK signed in the early 1990s, even though that agreement also means assisting a NATO partner?
It’s a disingenuous argument from Russia. Their pre-invasion ultimatum demanded NATO lift its defense umbrella from Eastern Europe, remove article 5 coverage from existing members, and even commit to doing no military training inside NATO countries without prior approval from the Kremlin.
They don’t want NATO to even be a purely defensive alliance. They want NATO out of the way so when they drive their tanks into Latvia Lithuania or Estonia, those countries will have no deterrent and very limited access to defensive capabilities.
It’s a disingenuous argument from Russia.>>>>>>>>>>>>>
So what?
The Russians have always been crazy.
The question is simply how we avoid WW III.
Simple. Shut down the Biden mafia network in Ukraine established by Hunter and friends, for it is the true purpose of the Ukraine War, along with the Davos Globalist Climate Culters neo colonial expansion led by an imperial NATO.
Even if we have to exercise force majeur to establish status quo ante in the war, it would be worth avoiding WW III and the displacement of the USD as the world’s reserve currency.
Finland was not a member of NATO, but it still sent some troops to Afghanistan.
“ The question is simply how we avoid WW III.”
The answer is to remove the capability from Russia, because they have shown repeatedly that they can’t be trusted to restrain their aggressive intent.
Like the Ukrainians in Bakhmut, it is a question of fight them here, or fight them at a time and place of their choosing - because Russia attacks.
You can refuse to loan someone money, but if they insist on fighting, you have to oblige them.
Finland’s far right aims to oust popular PM Sanna Marin in legislative elections
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4142443/posts
Probably unrelated. /sarc
How are you going to accomplish that? Wish their nukes away?
The answer is to remove the capability from Russia, because they have shown repeatedly that they can’t be trusted to restrain their aggressive intent.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
That will cause WW III.
We need to use some deal making skills to get Russia back to status quo ante.
Biden has no desire to make any deal. Hewants things to stay as they are for a very long time, a war of attrition....which he exchanged the Afghanistan war for the war in Ukraine. Biden and the Dems could not make enough money with the war in Afghanistan.The war in Ukraine is essentially a money pump for the Biden family and various oligarchs and builderburghers in Europe and NATO. Zelensky himself is now worth millions.
To end the war in Ukraine we must end the influence of those parties now profiting form the war in Ukraine and re establish a congenial economic relationship with Russia with some form of security arrangement for Russia into the future.
I expect President Trump will do just that. Also the major reason the Dems want Trump to lose his ability to run. The left knows it would be the end of their various money pumps that enrich these Marxist overlords of America.Its not just the Ukraine money pump, each cabinet portfolio has its own money pump loading up the pockets of Marxists who want to destroy America.
“The answer is to remove the capability from Russia.”
“How are you going to accomplish that? Wish their nukes away?”
Nuclear weapons use will need to be deterred, but the conventional and unconventional military capability that Russia has been abusing is being rapidly destroyed in the Ukraine.
They are also well on the way to being impoverished to the degree that rebuilding that capability would take much longer.
Much less of a threat - not no threat.
They are also (temporarily) losing their enthusiasm for conquest as their cemeteries explode, and they get the emotional return of defeats, rather than victories.
The bottom line in avoiding WWIII, is managing Russian aggression. They are the aggressors.
—> I was hoping you could explain your post, but so far with no luck.
Having cited the requirements of NATO in a link I was hoping you’d take <1 minute and learn the answer to your question.
And so it goes.
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