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Desperate Russian Forces Are Sticking 80-Year-Old Naval Guns On 70-Year-Old Armored Tractors
Forbes ^ | Mar 4, 2023 | David Axe

Posted on 03/05/2023 6:45:56 AM PST by Renfrew

The Russian army is welding 80-year-old gun mounts, originally built to arm patrol boats, onto 70-year-old armored tractors—and sending them to Ukraine to get captured by the Ukrainian army.

The up-gunned, tracked MT-LBs are further evidence of the Kremlin’s worsening equipment crisis as it struggles to make good its losses in Ukraine.

Which is why the Kremlin is pulling out of long-term storage hundreds of 50-year-old T-62 tanks, 60-year-old BMP-1 fighting vehicles and 70-year-old BTR-50P armored tractors. These awkwardly up-gunned MT-LBs just further underscore the Russians’ growing desperation.

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To: Renfrew

Nothing can be believed from either side. We’ll know what happened years after it is over, maybe.


21 posted on 03/05/2023 7:09:53 AM PST by frogjerk (More people have died trusting the government than not trusting the government.)
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To: wildcard_redneck
Now that is just sad propaganda.

They call a BTR a "tractor" when it's an APC. If you're in the military of any NATO country, especially air or mechanized you go to school on BTR.

wiki on BTR

Then again, Forbes has become a hunk of industrial mil.gov swamp-$**t.

22 posted on 03/05/2023 7:11:08 AM PST by AAABEST ( NY/DC/LA media/political/military industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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To: JonPreston

The Russians have been on the ‘verge’ of taking Bakhmut for 7 months... And haven’t.

How many soldiers have they lost? How many tanks? How many APC’s? They keep attacking, keep claiming they are on the ‘verge’ and at the end of every day they are still not in control of Bakhmut.


23 posted on 03/05/2023 7:16:45 AM PST by jerod (Nazi's were essentially Socialist in Hugo Boss uniforms... Get over it!)
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To: Renfrew

Naval artillery was generally superior to field artillery. So while in theory this would be a good thing the naval guns require a larger and completely different mounting system. I guess you could bolt a shore mount 5” gun to a tracked vehicle if you were desperate enough. It would be a lot heavier. Then you need to supply the semifixed ammo. Good luck.


24 posted on 03/05/2023 7:22:10 AM PST by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: jerod
"The Russians have been on the ‘verge’ of taking Bakhmut for 7 months... And haven’t."

Ukrainians Blow Bridges Out of Bakhmut, Russian Fighters Now in the Streets

25 posted on 03/05/2023 7:25:49 AM PST by chief lee runamok (Anti Socialist Derelict At Large)
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To: jerod; JonPreston

Yes, it’s sad.

The Kremlin promised its western propaganda teams back in December that Bakhmut was about to fall.

Every week that has gone by since has further reduced the credibility of anyone who believed Moscow.

Taking the village has become the #1 priority of the Russian war machine, not because it has any strategic significance, but because it is an ever growing embarrassment for Putin stooges like JonPreston.

It’s sad that thousands of Russian boys have been fed into a meat grinder merely to save a bunch of keyboard warriors from embarassment.


26 posted on 03/05/2023 7:28:45 AM PST by Renfrew (Muscovia delenda est)
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To: Renfrew

Last I heard, the Russkies was bayonetting Belgian Nuns! And, oh - Putin eats Poop! And they sunk an innocent ocean liner that wasn’t carrying no weapons or guns!


27 posted on 03/05/2023 7:31:09 AM PST by Penelope Dreadful (And there is Pansies, that's for Thoughts. +Sodomy & Abortion are NOT cornerstones of Civilization! )
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To: chief lee runamok

Those Russian fighters have been in the ‘streets’ for 7 months... Getting picked off by Ukrainian snipers.

That’s not control... That’s suicide.


28 posted on 03/05/2023 7:33:16 AM PST by jerod (Nazi's were essentially Socialist in Hugo Boss uniforms... Get over it!)
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To: JonPreston
Whatever they are using it is helping them win. I don't believe much coming from our media. They are nothing but Biden propagandist. This war is a brutal war that is killing 10s of thousands of men on both sides. The Ukrainians are being used as pawns for Victoria Nulands war on Russia. That's the bottom line. I hope the Ukrainian people understand that.
29 posted on 03/05/2023 7:34:36 AM PST by Rdct29 (Democrats are the new Nazi's. They think they deserve total control over the people)
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To: Penelope Dreadful

Apparently Putin does poop his pants quite a bit... Smelly Vlad, always the shortest guy in the room and now he wears diapers. That’s leadership.


30 posted on 03/05/2023 7:35:10 AM PST by jerod (Nazi's were essentially Socialist in Hugo Boss uniforms... Get over it!)
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To: chief lee runamok

Russian Assault Units Have Entered BAKHMUT! (December 12, 2022)

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4116051/posts

Or this:

“The main units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine began to leave Artemovsk (Bakhmut) in the DPR” (October 14, 2022)

https://russian.rt.com/ussr/news/1061167-vsu-artyomovsk-dnr?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop

Will Bakhmut fall? Probably. But be pretty skeptical of any Russian claims of victory.


31 posted on 03/05/2023 7:36:10 AM PST by Renfrew (Muscovia delenda est)
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To: frogjerk

It was the Russians who used the “Potemkin village” scheme and I often wonder if they are really using their junk and not showing their capabilities maybe


32 posted on 03/05/2023 7:37:23 AM PST by Manuel OKelley
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To: Renfrew

I wonder how that thing does going uphill?


33 posted on 03/05/2023 7:39:01 AM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: stanne

I understand your point, but they aren’t welding 5 inch guns to a b52.


34 posted on 03/05/2023 7:39:54 AM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: Renfrew

Because THEIR MIC wants excuses to rearm and they can’t do that with all that old inventory hanging around - JUST LIKE THE US.


35 posted on 03/05/2023 7:40:00 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: jerod

I don’t believe none of that stuff. In WWII, the OSS(CIA) had some twerp write that Hitler ate poop. And Trump hired Russian tinklers, etc.


36 posted on 03/05/2023 7:41:44 AM PST by Penelope Dreadful (And there is Pansies, that's for Thoughts. +Sodomy & Abortion are NOT cornerstones of Civilization! )
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To: Farmerbob; stanne

The B-52 is no longer used for its original mission, and is worthless over contested skies. Its new mission is as a truck or delivery vehicle for standoff weapons. The virtue of these improvised armored vehicles is that they might be cheaper than a Javelin missile. More like upgunned decoys than actual tactical threats. They cost more to shoot than to build. They may not even have any ammunition. (How much ammunition do you think there is for 80-year old naval guns?)

A T-90 costs several million dollars a copy, a T-72 or T-80 is much more costly than a Javelin. I think the Russians are going to tow these within range of Javelin gunners and get the hell away, and hope for the best. I would not be surprised if the Ukrainians just wheel up a 155mm cannon and punch them with direct fire, acting under the assumption that they pose no threat of return fire. You would not want to get too close to one of them, but they are probably of little real tactical use.


37 posted on 03/05/2023 7:44:19 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit.)
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To: jerod
"That’s not control... That’s suicide."

With continual propaganda from around the world, how qualified is your information.

38 posted on 03/05/2023 7:45:07 AM PST by chief lee runamok (Anti Socialist Derelict At Large)
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To: Renfrew
The Kremlin promised its western propaganda teams back in December that Bakhmut was about to fall.

The timeline isn't as important to the victorious Russians as it is to the NATO losers. The important thing is the deNazification of Ukraine is moving ahead as noted by the high pitched squealing of you Neocons.

39 posted on 03/05/2023 7:45:28 AM PST by JonPreston
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To: Renfrew
"Will Bakhmut fall? Probably. But be pretty skeptical of any Russian claims of victory."

I'm completely skeptical of any claims from both sides and their allies.

40 posted on 03/05/2023 7:46:43 AM PST by chief lee runamok (Anti Socialist Derelict At Large)
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