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Jeffery Sachs: Ukrainian loss number don't lie
YouTube ^ | March 3, 2023 | Jeffery Sachs

Posted on 03/04/2023 9:54:11 AM PST by Kazan

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To: rbmillerjr

Shriveled old geezers like yourself support all wars and make excuses for all of them, past, present, and future.

Your warped, selfish view of the world is being thrown into a very exceptional trash can. You can have the last word. FR is a magnet for ugly loud mouthed americans like yourself, I can only stand tiny doses of it.


41 posted on 03/04/2023 11:30:10 AM PST by Chunga85 (An arrogant govt combined with an ignorant population is a recipe for disaster.)
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To: Reagan80
The source is actually Russian invasion supporting telegram channels.

Sachs pulled it off twitter without checking it first.

42 posted on 03/04/2023 11:38:41 AM PST by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Sláva Ukrayíni 🇺🇦 - No CCCP 2.0)
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To: Chunga85

I’m very attractive, and in great shape, you little gender confused Appeasing Puzzy.

You skinny little Liberaltarians are pathetic. No manhood. Anti American, Open Border scum.


43 posted on 03/04/2023 11:41:42 AM PST by rbmillerjr (Reagan Conservative: Economic Freedom, Peace through Strength, American Values- De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Kazan

300,000 Ukrainian casualties?

hmm, Ukraine has 40 million people ...

so, that leaves only 39,700,000 left to fight

damn


44 posted on 03/04/2023 11:47:24 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: canuck_conservative

Ukraine had 40 million people but they have been leaving for years…more and faster with the war.
Believe current estimates are below 30 million.
Still plenty of teens and oldsters to drag off the streets and send to the front.


46 posted on 03/04/2023 11:59:38 AM PST by silverleaf (It’s not propaganda just because you disagree with it. )
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To: silverleaf

ok, 30 million @ 300,000 casualties per year =

Ukraine can only fight for another 100 years!

“numbers don’t lie” LOL


47 posted on 03/04/2023 12:03:05 PM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: canuck_conservative

Russians at 141 million…do the same math.
But calculate 1/8 the losses of Ukraine


48 posted on 03/04/2023 12:06:14 PM PST by silverleaf (It’s not propaganda just because you disagree with it. )
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To: Kazan

BBC reports, using similar calculation method as was used to estimate German casualties in WW2…combing open source death announcements from local news throughout the country

Able to confirm 16,000 Russian war deaths
Does not include Wagner, DPR, LPR

https://news.yahoo.com/bbc-confirms-death-over-16-195014336.html

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/03/bakhmut-strategic-or-not-is-falling.html#more

“As artillery is the major killer in any modern war this also means that casualties on both sides will follow a similar ratio as the number of guns and rounds fired by each side.

( note Russians hold estimated 10:1 advantage in artillery over Ukes)

https://english.elpais.com/international/2023-03-01/ukraine-outgunned-10-to-1-in-massive-artillery-battle-with-russia.html

“For the last several weeks the daily ‘clobber report’ by the Russian Defense Ministry reported some 350-400 Ukrainian soldiers killed per day along the whole frontline. On Thursday that number increased to 640, stayed at 640 in Friday’s report and increased to 880 in today’s report. 490 of those were reported in the Bakhmut area.

BBC cooperates with other organization to count every announcement of a dead soldier in the Russian local media. Since the start of the war it has identified a total of 16,000:

Throughout 2022, Russian sources typically reported about 250–300 deaths each week, doubling in January and continuing to grow again in February.
Russian source report death per week at a lower rate than Ukrainian death per day. The ratio is again about 10 Ukrainians for 1 Russian. That number of Russian dead has doubled in January and further increased in February says the BBC. But the 10 to 1 ratio between Ukrainian and Russian dead will still have been the same”

Formula wise and based on reporting and field observations scraped off multiple open sources….if Russian deaths are at 16,000+, then uke deaths are at 160,000+

Warfare studies generally calculate wounded at 3 X number of dead


49 posted on 03/04/2023 12:28:28 PM PST by silverleaf (It’s not propaganda just because you disagree with it. )
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To: Kazan
Former CIA analyst Larry Johnson the numbers cited:

https://sonar21.com/the-fall-of-bakhmut-a-prelude-to-the-fall-of-ukraine/

If these numbers are true, Ukrainian casualties, including missing and captured, exceed 600,000. Even if we assume the numbers are cut in half, the scale of losses are staggering. One year ago, according to Yahoo News:

Ukraine has 250,000 active-duty troops, plus another 290,000 reserve personnel and 50,000 paramilitary units that could be activated in a conflict with Russia.

https://news.yahoo.com/better-trained-better-equipped-know-193749574.html

During the last year Ukraine has enlisted hundreds of thousands of new recruits, but these new soldiers are being sent to the front with only minimal training. Ukraine does not have the number of trained, experienced soldiers required to mount a massive counter offensive. The lack of personnel is compounded by the inability of the West to supply ammunition and vehicles in sufficient numbers to sustain intense operations.

According to Andrei Martyanov, who has good sources in Russia, the 300,000 reservists called up last August have not yet been deployed to the front lines. The meaning is simple — Russia enjoys a massive advantage in terms of manpower, tanks, artillery, ammunition, missiles and combat air.

The fall of Bakhmut is a major blow, not just to Ukraine, but to the United States and NATO. This sets the stage for the West doing something desperate while Russia is content to continue to pulverize what is left of the Ukrainian military.

50 posted on 03/04/2023 12:36:36 PM PST by Kazan
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To: Kazan
You can lie all you want, but the numbers don't lie.

Claims linking numbers to real events can be lies though (not sure if that is the case here, just the "numbers don't lie" mic drop type of nonsense gets my epistemic hackles up).

51 posted on 03/04/2023 1:37:49 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: rbmillerjr

Nobody believed Hitler an nobody believes KGB boy Putin.


Should we believe the USA?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH8Q36qlwEo

I am not a fan of Putin but our idiot leaders have caused much of the problem. Did we keep our word? Soros, obama, hillary, W, McCain, Lindsey Graham, etc. all thought it a good idea to not honor our commitments.


52 posted on 03/04/2023 1:52:18 PM PST by boycott
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I don’t believe those numbers. With losses like that, Ukraine would be out of the battle. Compare to this. By the end of Barbarossa, the largest, deadliest military operation in history, Germany had suffered close to 775,000 casualties.


53 posted on 03/04/2023 4:41:57 PM PST by rxh4n1
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To: fireman15

That is an excellent exposition.


54 posted on 03/04/2023 4:44:28 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: rbmillerjr
Geared up conscripts...poorly trained and equipped, and poorly led.

Excellent recitation of The Narrative™.

55 posted on 03/04/2023 4:47:34 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: crz; Admin Moderator
Because doxxing in anyway violates long standing internet basics, FR's terms of service, and makes the site look bad.

This is holding FR to a lower standards then 4-chan, Reddit or DU, pretty much any site before Russia's invasion Freepers held their noses.

You call yourself a conservative, while making conservatives look like lowlifes online.

56 posted on 03/04/2023 6:49:13 PM PST by Widget Jr
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To: Jeff Chandler

Yep, because you believe Russian BS propaganda. The truth is very easily seen for those not propagandized.


57 posted on 03/04/2023 8:41:22 PM PST by rbmillerjr (Reagan Conservative: Economic Freedom, Peace through Strength, American Values- De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Jeff Chandler
That is an excellent exposition.

Thank you for expanding my vocabulary with a wonderful word that I likely have read or heard before but had escaped me. I am sure that I could have stated it more succinctly and there were a couple of typos but I am happy that some others here feel the same way.

I come from a military family and the thought of soldier's and civilian lives on both sides not to mention a vast treasure being wasted by botched foreign policy makes me very angry. Those responsible could not care less about the damage that they have now caused by intentionally fomenting this awful conflict. If the election had not been stolen I sincerely believe that hundreds of thousands of good people would not have been killed or severely injured not to mention those who have become refugees and lost all of their possessions and way of life.

58 posted on 03/04/2023 9:09:35 PM PST by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: fireman15
That is an excellent exposition.

Of course, I was familiar with the word relating to public exhibitions, but not used as a “comprehensive description and explanation of an idea or theory.” Very good.

59 posted on 03/04/2023 9:13:49 PM PST by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: fireman15

There is also “story exposition” in writing, which is providing background to the story and characters — the who, what, when, where, and why the story takes place. Providing exposition seamlessly, without interrupting the flow of the story, reveals much of the art of writing.


60 posted on 03/05/2023 9:19:09 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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