Posted on 02/25/2023 9:14:00 AM PST by frithguild
The inherently disharmonious nation-state currently assigned the toponym “Ukraine” on maps of Europe is incontrovertibly an artificial construction of relatively recent origin. The socio-political and cultural facts underlying this reality were ably exploited by the Germans in the Second World War when the Nazis successfully recruited large numbers of its western inhabitants (primarily from Galicia) to join them in a war of annihilation against the Poles, the Jews, and the more numerous and prosperous “Muscovites” who inhabited the agriculturally fertile and substantially industrialized regions of historical Novorossiya.
This was the polity within the geographic region known as the Ukraine that, beginning as early as the immediate aftermath of the war, was systematically cultivated by the Anglo-American western hegemon as a disruptive force to undermine Soviet power ...
And in the aftermath of the fall of the Soviet Union which occasioned the rise of the global American empire, this was the polity that was methodically groomed to eventually become a disposable proxy for imperial designs which explicitly aspired to dismember Russia and despoil its nearly limitless natural resource treasures.
Any set of arguments aiming to dispute this interpretation of events is demonstrably erroneous, logically fallacious, and historically revisionist – ...
My point for now is that Moeini’s characterization of what happened since 2014 as Ukraine exercising its own agency to effect a geopolitical gambit against Russia is a tortured misrepresentation of the facts.
The reality is that the ruling junta in Ukraine – raised to its principality by imperial intrigues – was cunningly seduced into believing it was uniquely capable of becoming the tip of the empire’s spear to slay, once and for all, the subhuman “Muscovites” who had long-dominated the left bank of the Dnieper River, Crimea, and the regions bordering the Black Sea. ***
(Excerpt) Read more at ronpaulinstitute.org ...
This individual’s syntax is slavic.
I’d say that is a very astute analysis.
2 Peter 3:9
Thank you for pointing that out - you are right. Rurikids
I think that’s exaggerated a bit. Be that as it may there was certainly cultural continuity even if there wasn’t genetic (Which I doubt was zero!).
I mentioned Alsace-Lorraine in the context of the start of WWII — not today — as an admittedly imperfect analogy to the history of Russia and Ukraine since the breakup of the Soviet Union.
The point I was making is that history did not begin with the Russian invasion.
There has always been a pretty enflamed division between East Slavs like in the Kingdom of Ruthenia / Galicia / Volhynia/ Poland (Catholic) and West Slavs (Orthodox). Yes, the Rurikids were on both sides of that divide (east until 1323 and West through Ivan the Terrible) and yes, the same genetics. Same cultural and national backgrounds from a 21st century perspective? I don’t think so - they hate each other too much. Kind of like saying the English and Irish are the same culture and nationality. That’s how I see it.
You and I are too far apart on this. I’ve read a lot of the history. Have you read Bloodlands?
Well, my point is that there certainly was history between Ukraine and Russia prior to the seizure of the Crimea in 2014 and then the invasion, rocket-bombing of major cities, and subsequent annexation of territory - all by Russia, starting on Feb. 24, 2022 - but there is ALWAYS "history."
My point is that there was no legitimate casus belli - no valid reason for Russia to launch a massive invasion, resulting in untold civilian casualties, and then to annex large swathes of Ukrainian territory.
Simply pointing out that there is "history" between the two sovereign countries, as you have done, is banal, non-productive, and distracting.
Your "point" adds nothing to the conversation - and is hence not really a "point" at all.
Regards,
Spit it out! Say the whole sentence! For the world to hear!
You are seriously claiming that the U.K. and/or the U.S. are forcing the Ukrainians to fight against the Russian invasion?!
Because the U.K. and/or the U.S. somehow influenced the drawing-up of the Russia-Ukrainian borders?
Incredible!
Regards,
+1
I could be wrong. Thanks for referring me to Bloodlands,
Despite its length, it was written well enough to keep me reading to the end. Too bad it does not reflect conventional wisdom, let alone guide policy. As far as policy goes, our side is groping as usual.
Who would Jesus rape and murder for Putin?
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