The Ontological Incoherence of American Imperial Exceptionalism (of War Vampires)

Ron Paul Institute ^ | 2/24/2023 | william schryver

[frithguild]

The inherently disharmonious nation-state currently assigned the toponym “Ukraine” on maps of Europe is incontrovertibly an artificial construction of relatively recent origin. The socio-political and cultural facts underlying this reality were ably exploited by the Germans in the Second World War when the Nazis successfully recruited large numbers of its western inhabitants (primarily from Galicia) to join them in a war of annihilation against the Poles, the Jews, and the more numerous and prosperous “Muscovites” who inhabited the agriculturally fertile and substantially industrialized regions of historical Novorossiya.

This was the polity within the geographic region known as the Ukraine that, beginning as early as the immediate aftermath of the war, was systematically cultivated by the Anglo-American western hegemon as a disruptive force to undermine Soviet power ...

And in the aftermath of the fall of the Soviet Union which occasioned the rise of the global American empire, this was the polity that was methodically groomed to eventually become a disposable proxy for imperial designs which explicitly aspired to dismember Russia and despoil its nearly limitless natural resource treasures.

Any set of arguments aiming to dispute this interpretation of events is demonstrably erroneous, logically fallacious, and historically revisionist – ...

My point for now is that Moeini’s characterization of what happened since 2014 as Ukraine exercising its own agency to effect a geopolitical gambit against Russia is a tortured misrepresentation of the facts.

The reality is that the ruling junta in Ukraine – raised to its principality by imperial intrigues – was cunningly seduced into believing it was uniquely capable of becoming the tip of the empire’s spear to slay, once and for all, the subhuman “Muscovites” who had long-dominated the left bank of the Dnieper River, Crimea, and the regions bordering the Black Sea. ***

[alexander_busek]

The 'rule' is always that nations should not invade one another.

At the same time, it is not America’s job to enforce that rule everywhere in the world.

But it is definitely in America's interest that Putin's Russia be foiled here.

Regards,

[alexander_busek]

an artificial construction of relatively recent origin. So what?

Failing to factor in its history in our discussions of the war is like leaving out the Armistice and Alsace–Lorraine from our discussions of WWII.

Okay, so go ahead and "factor in" the history - for both Ukraine/Russia and, say, the Alsace-Lorraine for France/Germany today.

Do you agree that it would be about as (un)fair, (in)equitable, and (un)justified for the Germans to seize Alsace-Lorraine today as it has been for Putin's Russia to invade and annex large parts of Ukraine in 2022/23?

And please do "factor in" the history as much as you want!

Regards,

[ClearCase_guy]

Russia is not an inherent threat to us nor to Western Europe.

The same people who laugh at the “buffoonish and decrepit” Russian military and their “tremendous losses” in Ukraine also seem to think that Russia is going to attack NATO and take over the world. You can’t have it both ways.

We are currently taking the risk of nuclear war because we don’t think that the traditional Russian Empire should be the Russian Empire.

Not my circus. Not my monkeys. I don’t care what happens to Ukraine. The wider world is only in danger if we choose to endanger ourselves. We’ve been the World’s Policeman for almost 80 years and it’s been a stupid role from start to finish.

[alexander_busek]

NATO apparently doesn't care, however that tens of thousands of Ukrainians are dying at the same time.

...because if NATO did care, it would... WHAT?!

Withdraw all military aid from the beleaguered Ukrainians?!

Yeah, that would definitely lessen Ukrainian casualties!

/mordant sarcasm

Regards,

[StAnDeliver]

Yet another Putlim pimping another anti-Trumper.

Below we display said 'author' complaining -- yes, complaining -- that globalist dipshit Rex Tillerson was replaced by Mike Pompeo.

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You frauds are so cheap, you are so easy.

You're either slope-head Slavic squatters astro-turfing on a website dedicated to American Constitutional conservatism, taking advantage of guest privileges for the sole purpose of eradicating this website; or you are a perma-banned Freeptard nimrod seeking the same end, by aiding laughably inept New Soviet Communists.

The end is the same, and it's coming for you, not for FreeRepublic.

[frithguild]

So let’s see about linear time - the US declares war on Britain, having done nothing to assess the stregnth of its own mitary or the resolve and preparedness of Brittish and Canadians and then the US got its collective ass kicked at Fort Macinac and Sandwich and US ambitions to have Canada were gone forever. Lack of US assessment of the RF and its capabities is the exact point the paper I introduced discusses in depth. If you will not concede irony in your reference to the War of 1812 as validation to continue the useless slaughter in the Donbass that you crave, then I really don’t have much to say.

[frithguild]

Well who can argue with that

[alexander_busek]

The same people who laugh at the “buffoonish and decrepit” Russian military and their “tremendous losses” in Ukraine also seem to think that Russia is going to attack NATO and take over the world. You can’t have it both ways.

"All or Nothing" Fallacy! Russia's military might has been significantly degraded, and continues to be degraded - but it is still a threat!

Russia is not an inherent threat to us nor to Western Europe.

Russia has been an inherent military threat to the U.S. and to the West as a whole since 19-friggin-45!

It has, in some measure, now been superseded by Red China (especially in the economic realm), but it continues to be a major threat.

You continue making baseless and peremptory assertions that would have gotten you laughed off this or any other genuinely conservative forum only a few years ago.

Regards,

[alexander_busek]

Both the Brits and Americans have had a problem making folks live in artificially designed countries and sooner or later it will indeed bite us in the ass.

Are you claiming that either the U.K. or the U.S. is making the Ukrainians live in and defend the border of their country?!

Regards,

[Wallace T.]

The United States was forced into the War of 1812 by the British, who had spent years blocking American commerce on the high seas and kidnapping American sailors for the Royal Navy. The British were also supporting Indian tribes that were harassing American settlements from Ohio to Mississippi. We did lose in our attempts to take Canada, partially because the New York militia failed to participate in the invasion.

That being said, I agree that the U.S. and NATO are underestimating Russian resolve. If the Russians defeat Ukraine, they will have to decide either to let Ukraine, or at least the eastern part thereof, go, or attempt a land war for which we or any other NATO power, possibly except Poland, are too weak to fight successfully.

[dforest]

Long but excellent article. Worth the read.

[dforest]

Russia won’t be foiled here because Ukraine is next to their border. And we have no interest in Ukraine.

[frithguild]

Thank you for that short essay. I am not really that sharp on the War of 1812. The lesson I remember was if your not prepared before you declare war, your Capital might be burned.

As far as Ukraine, these Biden people have absolutely no sense - they have put every possible effort into preventing a diplomatic solution. The Rusdians think we are not “agreement capable.” I can’t argue with that. They will just continue to grind forward. Really bad.

[ClearCase_guy]

As far as Ukraine, these Biden people have absolutely no sense - they have put every possible effort into preventing a diplomatic solution.

A bit of additional history, from a century later than the War of 1812:

After the Archduke of Austria-Hungary was assassinated in Sarajevo in 1914, the Austrian Empire was spoiling for a fight in the Balkans. Austria delivered an Ultimatum to Serbia, with 10 demands. The demands were ludicrous. Simply could not be agreed to. Austria did not intend for Serbia to bow to the Ultimatum. It was dressed up as a "diplomatic peace negotiation" but it was nothing of the sort.

In the end, Serbia could not agree. So Austrian armies started to move. Then German. Secret alliances started kicking in. France. England. Russia. Turkey.

The willful sabotage of what could have been a peace negotiation to end a minor conflict in the Balkans caused WWI.

And here we are.

[Nifster]

Oh indeed

[frithguild]

Every war has behind it an elite that thinks they can benefit and technological advancements that make the assessment of ytheir own and their potential enemy’s forces not so clear. WWI the confounding technology was industrial transportation and mass production of mechanical goods, e.g. machine gun and artillery. Austria Hungary was weak on both without knowing. They lost their empire.

WW II the confounding technology was non-rail mobile and logistical systems. Things may have been much different if Germany secured an oil supply after it stupidly attacked Russia. So to this day, the “west” tries to keep Germany and Russia away from intertwining economically, e.g. the Nordstream terrorist action. This has been the playbook since before the Crimean War.

This war, the confounding technology is unmanned surveillance and kinetic delivery of destructive force - geolication and drones. IMHO the west security aparatus is filled with analysts with postmodern educations, and resulting Dunning-Kreuger type self assurance. They completely fail to understand Russian affinity for destructive technology that originates in psyches shaped by invasions and atrocities that descend upon them with regularity for centuries. Of all the Eurpoeans, I respect and fear the Russians the most. They should never be underestimated.

[MeganC]

I agree, you really don’t have much to say.

[frithguild]

Matthew 5:9

[Notthereyet]

I am stating facts.

A person can be constrained from freedoms by simple manipulation or legally (per se) established land, air, or water boundaries.

The same applies to countries establishment as well.

Adding the controlled usage of monetary or social constructs only makes it easier.

So, yes.

[MeganC]

You want to cite Scripture? Then tell me who would Jesus rape and murder for Putin?