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Sunset Social Security or wage world war. You can complain about Republicans sunsetting Social Security, Medicare, and welfare if you want, but you are in effect voting for us to go to war
American Thinker ^ | 02/16/2023 | Brett Stevens

Posted on 02/16/2023 7:18:13 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Currently we are hearing a great deal of consternation from the Left about the planned sunsetting of Social Security and Medicare. To them, this signifies Republicans stealing food from the mouths of their babies. Can you not feel the pathos?

For those who are not in the grips of emotion, conservatives have been warning about these entitlements, or payments made to citizens instead of to an agency, since they began with the income tax in 1913.

Our forefathers back then told people that any free program becomes an alternative to the responsible way of doing things, so people shift their costs to the free program and soon demands expand toward infinity. Infinite demand leads to Soviet-style collapse.

Since the income tax began and funded the entitlements, government spending in this sector has risen over a hundredfold and now is the major item in our budgets. Our economy changed since 1950 from being free market to being government-directed because such a huge part of our economy consists of payments from D.C. A quick look at our budget shows that of our $4.8tn mandatory spending every year, $4tn of it comprises three programs -- Social Security, Medicare, and welfare -- and that this swelling has caused our inflation crisis by diluting our money supply since WW II.

Fast forward a few decades and we have $32tn in debt, almost all of it from entitlements. We can repay war loans but no one can stop the slow grinding advance of the free stuff from government, and a sensible observer will note that leftism has risen along with the entitlements. The more people who depend on the free stuff, the more people vote leftist, especially among the young.

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KEYWORDS: brettstevens; debt; economy; joewantsaworldwar; medicare; socialsecurity; war; welfare; zeepers4ww3
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Over the past half-century, America has systematically neglected its infrastructure to the point where, according to the WEF, another $12tn will be required to rebuild what has decayed while we were busy paying for FDR’s New Deal and LBJ’s Great Society, the two programs that built up our entitlements state.

The last time we had conditions like this, the Great Depression was raging because that income tax in 1913 led to rapid inflation which caused speculation to rage out of control, culminating in a stock market crash and run on the banks. America got out of that depression only by going to war, and humanity saw how world war makes big winners. Whoever wins gets to keep their economy while everyone else starves, as Europe did up through the 1960s.

1 posted on 02/16/2023 7:18:13 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Going after SS is a foolish strategy and anyone suggesting this is a deep state shill.


2 posted on 02/16/2023 7:19:45 AM PST by Bayard
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To: SeekAndFind

We are at war; have been for a long time.

It’s just that most of us are content to eat sand while being distracted by the likes of those who bluster about foreign matters while we’re destroyed from within.


3 posted on 02/16/2023 7:21:31 AM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: SeekAndFind

There is no political will for such a thing. I don’t see the entitlement spending requiring war, though it will likely lead to serious inflation and a universally lower standard of living for nearly all.


4 posted on 02/16/2023 7:22:39 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth? (Luke 18:8))
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To: SeekAndFind
Social Security can NOT be "going broke" because there is no Federal SSI "lock box".

All of the money is intentionally part of the General Fund to make it available to politicians to buy your vote on non-value added projects.

5 posted on 02/16/2023 7:23:41 AM PST by G Larry ( "woke" means 'stupid enough to fall for the promotion of every human weakness into a virtue')
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To: SeekAndFind

The debt will NEVER be paid, not a dime.

Entitlements will never be reduced.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out the end game.


6 posted on 02/16/2023 7:28:25 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Bayard

> Going after SS is a foolish strategy and anyone suggesting this is a deep state shill. <

I half agree with you. Gong after Social Security truly is a foolish strategy. The necessary of reforming SS aside, it would shove the GOP into minority status forever. Then if you think deficit spending and government wokeness is bad now...look out below.

Cut elsewhere. There are many places to do that.

But I don’t think every SS reformer is a shill. Most of them are just hopelessly naive. And that’s probably as dangerous as being a shill.


7 posted on 02/16/2023 7:30:38 AM PST by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: Bayard

To get to the point, the article is BS....a real load.

Social security is not a free gimmee. I paid what amounts to insurance premiums for many years. The only difference in social security and an ordinary insurance policy is that social security is a system mandated by law and enforced by the government.....and mismanaged by the government.

So now we are to be penalized by the very government that passed the law, enforced the law and then mismanaged the money?

There in a nutshell you have the lack of wisdom and the incompetence of liberal big government.


8 posted on 02/16/2023 7:32:02 AM PST by old curmudgeon (There is no situation so bad that the federal government can not make worse.)
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To: G Larry
The "Unified Budget Act" could have been written by FTX's Sam Bankman-Fried. Using deposits for purposes of paying expenses and favor.

Also return the Graham-Ruddman-Hollings laws. Obama repealed them. "Free money for Beltway bureaucrats" was the result.

9 posted on 02/16/2023 7:32:26 AM PST by blackdog ((Z28.310) Forget "Global Warming", new grants are for "Galaxy Dimming")
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To: SeekAndFind

It appears that this article has a compelling headline with content that doesn’t support it. The author does a terrible job of making the case that entitlements and world war are an either-or scenario.


10 posted on 02/16/2023 7:32:30 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: G Larry

“Social Security can NOT be “going broke” because there is no Federal SSI “lock box”.”

But Al Gore assured us!


11 posted on 02/16/2023 7:33:14 AM PST by Does so (What distinguishes today's Russian aggression from that of the USSR?)
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To: old curmudgeon
I paid what amounts to insurance premiums for many years.

BIGLY ditto on that, FRiend.

12 posted on 02/16/2023 7:37:21 AM PST by tomkat (SOTU = FUBAR)
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To: SeekAndFind

Our participation in the Ukraine war can, and should, be terminated regardless of entitlement spending. The need for a connection is phony.


13 posted on 02/16/2023 7:38:38 AM PST by Socon-Econ (adi)
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To: Bayard
Going after SS is a foolish strategy and anyone suggesting this is a deep state shill.

Social Security is essentially "forced retirement savings" funded by garnishing wages (FICA) from both working employees and the employers that hire them. (Many people don't realize that their FICA contribution is only half of what it actually is, because employers are required to pay the other half).

Nobody should have a problem with older people drawing a Social Security check after a lifetime of working. After all, they and their employer paid into it all those years.

Welfare and SSI Disability are where the real abuses are occurring. This is nothing but a transfer of money from those who work to those who do not work.

Eliminating those programs from the Federal Government (states and local governments can do as they wish) will leave plenty of money to fulfill the promises made to the working people who spent all those years putting money into the Social Security program.

14 posted on 02/16/2023 7:40:03 AM PST by SamAdams76 (4,895,899 Truth | 87,656,930 Twitter)
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The government wastes too much money on stuff everyone knows is garbage for them to ever go after Social Security. The optics alone would kill any politicians career
“Oh you want to starve grandma …didn’t you just vote to give Rwanda a billion dollars to study butterflies??”


15 posted on 02/16/2023 7:40:25 AM PST by escapefromboston (Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Social Security, Medicare, and welfare”

Wait just a minute!

Don’t lump “welfare” in with Social Security and Medicare!

We PAID FOR Social Security and Medicare. (I paid INTO Social Security for forty-six years)

Welfare recipients DID NOT PAY for welfare. Likely paid nothing into Social Security and Medicare either.

Apples and watermelons!

STOP paying these lowlifes and lazy bums to sit around smokin’ weed and/or drinkin’ moonshine, and pumping out babies they refuse to support.

CUT EVERYTHING ELSE instead.


16 posted on 02/16/2023 7:44:20 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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To: tomkat
Now that I’m back to work, I see it as paying part of the SS I’m receiving. A bit naïve, of course, but it comes out to over 40% of my current benefits, based on EE and ER “contributions”.

I’m sure I’m not the only one out there.

17 posted on 02/16/2023 7:44:31 AM PST by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: old curmudgeon

Socialist always say they paid something. These are all ponzi schemes. The us cannot afford these schemes. Massive cuts will happen, in one way or other via market forces, hyper inflation, etc but we will all suffer. Gen x, y, a, more


18 posted on 02/16/2023 7:44:35 AM PST by Theoria
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To: Bayard

Yes, the article is provocative nonsense.

Social Security and Medicare are not “free stuff”, they are paid for by taxes. They can be adjusted by bi-partisan agreement only, but not terminated.


19 posted on 02/16/2023 7:44:41 AM PST by devere
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To: SeekAndFind
America has systematically neglected its infrastructure to the point where, according to the WEF, another $12tn will be required to

Who is the WEF that their opinion should be trusted?


20 posted on 02/16/2023 7:49:45 AM PST by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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