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Breaking Russia? More like breaking ourselves
Asia Times ^

Posted on 02/11/2023 4:58:53 AM PST by FarCenter

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For too long Washington has refused to think strategically about some of the major foreign policy issues of our time. In the rare instance where Washington’s policymakers do think strategically, the strategies they concoct seem less like realistic attempts at applying state power and more like they were conceived over a game of Risk while under the heavy influence of alcohol.

Such is the case with the current American preoccupation in Ukraine.

The Russians have invaded Ukraine. They’ve committed their entire society to the war. In the words of popular geopolitical analyst Peter Zeihan, this is “Russia’s last war.” Their society will not survive beyond the decade and Russia’s economy and political system will collapse because Russian strongman Vladimir Putin has overstretched in Ukraine.

All these statements may be true. Washington’s leadership has decided to test the limits of these assumptions by throwing everything into supporting non-NATO member Ukraine – even if it risks another world war.

What if things don’t go as planned? In war, of course, plans rarely survive first contact with the enemy.

The reasoning in Washington goes like this: for the “low cost” of Ukrainian lives and American taxpayer dollars, the West can end Putin’s strategic threat to the United States and its NATO partners.

Throw in some generous rhetoric of saving democracy and accusing any skeptics of the plan of being new Neville Chamberlains and you’ve got yourselves a winning dynamic. Besides, no Americans are dying. It’s not like Iraq or Afghanistan. This is a postmodern, “clean” great power war—and the Russians can do nothing to stop us.

This is the thinking. And, my friends, I’m here to tell you this is the same kind of two-dimensional analysis that got us mired in the failed Middle East wars of the last 20 years. While there may not (yet) be large US armies in Ukraine, the fact remains that the same kind of wishful thinking that got us stuck in Iraq has now ensnared the United States in an unwinnable war in Ukraine.

Think about it: we’re told that Volodymyr Zelensky, the Ukrainian leader, is Winston Churchill. Certainly, Zelensky is doing his best to save his nation and that is an admirable act. Despite his good press in the West, however, he’s less Churchill and more Ahmed Chalabi.


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1 posted on 02/11/2023 4:58:53 AM PST by FarCenter
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To: FarCenter

Thanks for reminding us of what we’re doing wrong.


2 posted on 02/11/2023 5:01:28 AM PST by ComputerGuy (Heavily-medicated for your protection)
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To: FarCenter

“throwing everything into supporting non-NATO member Ukrain”

The weak Biden regime has given no real help to Ukraine. No jets, no missiles, no helicopters. When Biden sends tanks he sends a handful, that will take a year to arrive.

If we were giving real aid to Ukraine the war would be over by now.


3 posted on 02/11/2023 5:05:33 AM PST by Renfrew (Muscovia delenda est)
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To: Renfrew

And DC would be a smoking whole in the ground which would be a great victory for those who support the US Constitution.


4 posted on 02/11/2023 5:09:36 AM PST by AndyJackson (.)
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To: FarCenter

Russia started this war

it’s weakening them, yet they refuse to end it

“when your enemy is committing suicide, never interfere”

- Napoleon


5 posted on 02/11/2023 5:10:23 AM PST by canuck_conservative (12th month, no end in sight)
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To: canuck_conservative

My guess is: this war will be over by the end of this year and russia/putin will be the losers.


6 posted on 02/11/2023 5:14:05 AM PST by Sunsong
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To: Renfrew

It is my understanding that We have given Ukraine stuff that is in effect surplus. A commentary on the Ukranian soldier outfit included outdated camo uniforms, old Bullet proof vests, and older style helmets.

All those items can be evaluated to US$ at the new stuff price. We know about $$$ but not the fact the $$$’s are representation of old and surplus stuff. That is we don’t know what we have provided in the form of good usable stuff that is obsolete and passed off as a monetary value


7 posted on 02/11/2023 5:15:10 AM PST by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day )
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To: Renfrew

“… The weak Biden regime has given no real help to Ukraine. No jets, no missiles, no helicopters. When Biden sends tanks he sends a handful, that will take a year to arrive.

If we were giving real aid to Ukraine the war would be over by now.”
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Yeah, baby, let’s share some tactical nuclear weapons with Saint Zelensky.

Let’s have wet dreams of GLOBAL THERMONUCLEAR WAR.


8 posted on 02/11/2023 5:15:53 AM PST by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MAX)
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To: FarCenter

More Kremlin propaganda. Give Putin what he wants? No thanks.


9 posted on 02/11/2023 5:17:19 AM PST by devere
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To: Renfrew
The weak Biden regime has given no real help to Ukraine. No jets, no missiles, no helicopters.

Have you given any thought about volunteering?

10 posted on 02/11/2023 5:18:03 AM PST by JonPreston
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To: House Atreides
---- "...wet dreams of GLOBAL THERMONUCLEAR WAR."

Sad that there are fools who think nuclear war can be said to be "winnable."

11 posted on 02/11/2023 5:19:28 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: House Atreides

The article should take into the question: Should we have listened to Patton?


12 posted on 02/11/2023 5:19:28 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET
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To: devere

The Russians are good at propaganda, Vodka, and killing their own soldiers.

Soon the Pooty Poot supporters will be volunteering to save Mother Russia, like a few useful idiots did for the Soviet state.


13 posted on 02/11/2023 5:22:03 AM PST by rbmillerjr (Defeating China is impossible without understanding that Russia is our enemy)
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To: rbmillerjr

You too. Are you volunteering?


14 posted on 02/11/2023 5:23:40 AM PST by JonPreston
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To: FarCenter

This approach worked just fine in Afghanistan.

And it worked even better for the Soviets in Vietnam.


15 posted on 02/11/2023 5:24:37 AM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Sunsong

militarily, I think it’s more-or-less a stalemate at this point

so if nothing else changes, this could drag on for quite a while ...

HOWEVER, there are other things that could change - Putin could die, oligarchs and/or the Russian people could withdraw their support (after years of constricting sanctions), etc.

stay tuned ... not much we can do


16 posted on 02/11/2023 5:26:18 AM PST by canuck_conservative (12th month, no end in sight)
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To: Renfrew

GTFO - Uke harpie n00b.


17 posted on 02/11/2023 5:26:36 AM PST by AAABEST ( NY/DC/LA media/political/military industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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To: Sunsong

18 posted on 02/11/2023 5:29:53 AM PST by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......)
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To: JonPreston

“ You too. Are you volunteering?”
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I suspect he/she/it wants to fight Russia to the LAST UKRAINIAN and to the LAST PENNY OF OTHER PEOPLE’S MONEY.


19 posted on 02/11/2023 5:30:28 AM PST by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MAX)
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To: AndyJackson

“And DC would be a smoking whole in the ground “

You have no understanding of the world.

Did we nuke Moscow when they gave the Vietnamese MiGs?


20 posted on 02/11/2023 5:31:14 AM PST by Renfrew (Muscovia delenda est)
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