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This Time It’s Different - Neither we nor our allies are prepared to fight all-out war with Russia, regionally or globally (Ukes failing, Washington wants direct war)
The American Conservative ^ | 1-26-23

Posted on 01/29/2023 5:53:38 AM PST by BusterDog

Until it decided to confront Moscow with an existential military threat in Ukraine, Washington confined the use of American military power to conflicts that Americans could afford to lose, wars with weak opponents in the developing world from Saigon to Baghdad that did not present an existential threat to U.S. forces or American territory. This time—a proxy war with Russia—is different.

Contrary to early Beltway hopes and expectations, Russia neither collapsed internally nor capitulated to the collective West’s demands for regime change in Moscow. Washington underestimated Russia’s societal cohesion, its latent military potential, and its relative immunity to Western economic sanctions.

As a result, Washington’s proxy war against Russia is failing. U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin was unusually candid about the situation in Ukraine when he told the allies in Germany at Ramstein Air Base on January 20, “We have a window of opportunity here, between now and the spring,” admitting, “That’s not a long time.”

Alexei Arestovich, President Zelensky’s recently fired advisor and unofficial “Spinmeister,” was more direct. He expressed his own doubts that Ukraine can win its war with Russia and he now questions whether Ukraine will even survive the war. Ukrainian losses—at least 150,000 dead including 35,000 missing in action and presumed dead—have fatally weakened Ukrainian forces resulting in a fragile Ukrainian defensive posture that will likely shatter under the crushing weight of attacking Russian forces in the next few weeks.

Ukraine’s materiel losses are equally severe. These include thousands of tanks and armored infantry fighting vehicles, artillery systems, air defense platforms, and weapons of all calibers. These totals include the equivalent of seven years of Javelin missile production.

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KEYWORDS: mentallyilliams; notnatoswar; notourwar; nuclearwar; russia; war; zeepers4ww3
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To: wildcard_redneck; tlozo

“The property STILL belongs to the church, just not the Moscow Patriarch but the Kyiv Patriarch.”

Those are not recognized or considered Orthodox by any other church in the world, all of whom recognize each other.
All are one except for them.

That Kiev group is the equivalent of a corner grocery store claiming to be an Orthodox church.

It is most definitely not the same church.
They are an outcast, they didn’t have succession from the rest of us, and they hold religious ceremonies to honor SS nazis.


121 posted on 01/30/2023 8:07:29 PM PST by MarMema (Orange Putin Bad)
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To: wildcard_redneck

https://www.abc15.com/news/national/mexico-remains-neutral-but-some-feel-the-countrys-government-is-siding-with-russia-in-war

“Mexico’s refusal to sanction Russia and send aid to Ukraine has offended not only Ukraine but also the U.S. Mexico’s largest trading partner by far.”

We are just bullies at large, hands down.
I am willing to bet it has nothing to actually do with cartels.

Sad.


122 posted on 01/30/2023 8:12:55 PM PST by MarMema (Orange Putin Bad)
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To: wildcard_redneck

I didn’t leave those things out.

They were not observed

I observe and present a finding


123 posted on 01/31/2023 4:57:58 AM PST by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day )
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To: MarMema; wildcard_redneck
Those are not recognized or considered Orthodox by any other church in the world

Patriarchate of Alexandria, Archbishop Ieronymos II the Primate of the Church of Greece, and Church of Cyprus recognized the Orthodox Church of Ukraine.

On 5 January 2019, Bartholomew I, the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople, signed the tomos that officially recognized and established the Orthodox Church of Ukraine and granted it autocephaly (self-governorship).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodox_Church_of_Ukraine

124 posted on 01/31/2023 5:48:07 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: wildcard_redneck
your hopes for a disastrous March on Moscow

Seriously? Its ridiculous to say that believers in the right of self-defense of households and of nations believes one should invade other countries.

125 posted on 01/31/2023 5:50:46 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: tlozo

You are essentially claiming. “He stole a car from a guy named Bob and gave it to different guy named Bob so he didn’t really steal it.”

Pretty damned dumb, isn’t it?


126 posted on 01/31/2023 5:50:55 AM PST by wildcard_redneck (Germans are bat-crap crazy for cold showers, high energy bills, and boiled turnips.)
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To: tlozo
"Seriously? It's ridiculous to say that believers in the right of self-defense of households and of nations believes one should invade other countries."

I said it and I meant it. Bloodthirsty neocons are Forever War nutjobs that call for the destruction of Russia incessantly and then as with fake innocence "Why do the Russians fear us?"

127 posted on 01/31/2023 5:54:33 AM PST by wildcard_redneck (Germans are bat-crap crazy for cold showers, high energy bills, and boiled turnips.)
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To: wildcard_redneck
You are essentially claiming. “He stole a car from a guy named Bob and gave it to different guy named Bob so he didn’t really steal it.”

Weird example. Ukraine is a country that Putin does not have the right to partition. Period. Otherwise your opening a Pandora's Box. Every country in Europe has "historical" claims on neighboring territory.

128 posted on 01/31/2023 5:55:58 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: wildcard_redneck
destruction of Russia incessantly and then as with fake innocence "Why do the Russians fear us?"

Whatever, there are extremists on all sides. Notice how no one is calling for the "destruction" of Germany? Why? Because they are not invading neighbors. Actions have consequences. Russian imperial ambitions are causing a reaction.

129 posted on 01/31/2023 5:58:55 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: MarMema; Williams

‘NATO could wipe out the Russian army in Ukraine’
…………………………………………………………………………….
That is why the Belgorod is sitting off the east coast.

Are you an American?
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He/she is likely American. But remember, half of the American population have IQs below 100. Just sayin’.


130 posted on 01/31/2023 6:03:26 AM PST by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MAX)
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To: wildcard_redneck
Me: so he banned only the political parties that did not agree with his policies. How enlightened.

Please stop making up stuff. Many of the existing parties opposed Zelensky. For example, Poroshenko's Party(European Solidarity) the candidate who ran against Zelensky in the last election was not banned.

Me: So Zelensky stole it and gave it to a different church politically aligned with himself. Such a Robin Hood.

Show me anywhere the Ukrainian Orthodox Church is "aligned" with Zelensky. The Church is not political or ruled by the government like the Russian Church, whos leader Patriarch Kirill, head of the Russian Orthodox Church, has told his followers that "sacrifice in the course of carrying out your military duty washes away all sins."

Me: Did you conveniently forget the Ukrainian death squads that roamed recaptured territory shooting “collaborators”

I saw collaborators were arrested. Forward me the links showing collaborators were shot.

131 posted on 01/31/2023 6:11:10 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: Williams

We wake up to Neocon propaganda every day. Each new day results in numerous postings by a few nutjobs the comment to themselves or to each other. It is the worst drivel on the internet.


132 posted on 01/31/2023 6:25:34 AM PST by wildcard_redneck (Germans are bat-crap crazy for cold showers, high energy bills, and boiled turnips.)
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To: canuck_conservative

Why is a Turdeauxbot trying to lecture Americans about American issues? Isn’t there something better that you could be doing like figuring out how Canada could quit being a rump-state of the American empire?


133 posted on 01/31/2023 6:28:29 AM PST by wildcard_redneck (Germans are bat-crap crazy for cold showers, high energy bills, and boiled turnips.)
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To: tlozo

Ok. You were correct. Last time I was in an Orthodox church this was not true. So now I am the one who needed updating.


134 posted on 01/31/2023 8:44:22 AM PST by MarMema (Orange Putin Bad)
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To: wildcard_redneck

Another post without content, just name calling.


135 posted on 01/31/2023 9:18:42 AM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: wildcard_redneck

Just wondering when did you idiots decide that everyone who disagrees with you is irrelevant, old, and a neocon?

If you don’t know anything of substance, why don’t you shut up and learn?

Newbie.


136 posted on 01/31/2023 9:20:35 AM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Williams

The 70s called and they want their foreign policy back.


137 posted on 01/31/2023 11:03:44 AM PST by wildcard_redneck (Germans are bat-crap crazy for cold showers, high energy bills, and boiled turnips.)
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To: rxh4n1
"Yay. War with Russia. You only have to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down."

Is that a Hitler quote? We all know how that turned out.

138 posted on 01/31/2023 11:04:47 AM PST by wildcard_redneck (Germans are bat-crap crazy for cold showers, high energy bills, and boiled turnips.)
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To: wildcard_redneck

Is that a Hitler quote? We all know how that turned out.

Yes, it was. Many posters on this forum seem to be hot for war with Russia. As if Russia will be easy meat. Others have thought the same and found out otherwise.


139 posted on 01/31/2023 11:58:18 AM PST by rxh4n1
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To: rxh4n1
Yay. War with Russia. You only have to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down.

Not all Germans saw it that way...."The German Army in fighting Russia is like an elephant attacking a host of ants. The elephant will kill thousands, perhaps even millions, of ants, but in the end their numbers will overcome him, and he will be eaten to the bone." - Colonel Bernd von Kleist

140 posted on 01/31/2023 11:59:52 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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