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This Time It’s Different - Neither we nor our allies are prepared to fight all-out war with Russia, regionally or globally (Ukes failing, Washington wants direct war)
The American Conservative ^ | 1-26-23

Posted on 01/29/2023 5:53:38 AM PST by BusterDog

Until it decided to confront Moscow with an existential military threat in Ukraine, Washington confined the use of American military power to conflicts that Americans could afford to lose, wars with weak opponents in the developing world from Saigon to Baghdad that did not present an existential threat to U.S. forces or American territory. This time—a proxy war with Russia—is different.

Contrary to early Beltway hopes and expectations, Russia neither collapsed internally nor capitulated to the collective West’s demands for regime change in Moscow. Washington underestimated Russia’s societal cohesion, its latent military potential, and its relative immunity to Western economic sanctions.

As a result, Washington’s proxy war against Russia is failing. U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin was unusually candid about the situation in Ukraine when he told the allies in Germany at Ramstein Air Base on January 20, “We have a window of opportunity here, between now and the spring,” admitting, “That’s not a long time.”

Alexei Arestovich, President Zelensky’s recently fired advisor and unofficial “Spinmeister,” was more direct. He expressed his own doubts that Ukraine can win its war with Russia and he now questions whether Ukraine will even survive the war. Ukrainian losses—at least 150,000 dead including 35,000 missing in action and presumed dead—have fatally weakened Ukrainian forces resulting in a fragile Ukrainian defensive posture that will likely shatter under the crushing weight of attacking Russian forces in the next few weeks.

Ukraine’s materiel losses are equally severe. These include thousands of tanks and armored infantry fighting vehicles, artillery systems, air defense platforms, and weapons of all calibers. These totals include the equivalent of seven years of Javelin missile production.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: mentallyilliams; notnatoswar; notourwar; nuclearwar; russia; war; zeepers4ww3
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To: Williams

So we should support Ukraine because everybody is doing it?


101 posted on 01/29/2023 10:53:14 AM PST by rottweiller_inc (inter canem et lupum)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“There had been provocation from Ukraine”

Such as... ?


102 posted on 01/29/2023 11:06:13 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Williams

NATO is the geopolitical short bus. Had they not kept expanding-and in doing so, offered to admit Ukraine-and surrounded Russia, none of this would have happened.


103 posted on 01/29/2023 11:53:33 AM PST by nonliberal (Z.)
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Yay. War with Russia. You only have to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down.


104 posted on 01/29/2023 9:40:00 PM PST by rxh4n1
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To: wildcard_redneck

Thanks for the visual ❣


105 posted on 01/29/2023 10:06:10 PM PST by TianaHighrider (God moved David to STAND UP to Goliath ❣)
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To: Williams
"Yeah you figured it out, we’re going to invade Canada because Russia invaded Ukraine."

The American war machine must be fed blood and treasure so Canada would do well to tread lightly if America is ever booted out of Europe. Canadians make sucky, counterfeit bacon and they must be stopped.

106 posted on 01/30/2023 12:13:02 PM PST by wildcard_redneck (Germans are bat-crap crazy for cold showers, high energy bills, and boiled turnips.)
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To: tlozo
"Zelensky support among the Ukrainian people is around 90%. Understandable, since they have seen Russians robbing, raping and executing civilians and leveling towns and cities."

Zelensky is popular in the sense that he has censored all opposition and criminalized it. He shut down all independent news media, seized church properties, and his Nazi thugs are rounding up and shooting anyone that does not support his grifting war that is grinding up Ukrainians by the thousands. When the dust settles Zelensky will be a curse word.

107 posted on 01/30/2023 12:17:27 PM PST by wildcard_redneck (Germans are bat-crap crazy for cold showers, high energy bills, and boiled turnips.)
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To: Williams
"Conservatives overwhelming support Ukraine. Americans overwhelmingly support Ukraine."

So just who are all those people on this forum that you keep arguing with? Figments of our imagination. Zelenskybots are neither intelligent or truthful.

108 posted on 01/30/2023 12:19:17 PM PST by wildcard_redneck (Germans are bat-crap crazy for cold showers, high energy bills, and boiled turnips.)
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To: BusterDog

Right?

I didn’t know either. Until Serbia.


109 posted on 01/30/2023 12:20:08 PM PST by MarMema (Orange Putin Bad)
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To: bert
"Russia has lost militarily with forces that are shown to just be plain incompetent. The Russian economy is shown to be a facade for the western companies that created it. When they left, the Russians remaining don’t have the wherewithal to keep it running, much less return it to where it was."

You forgot to tells that "Putin is dying," "Russia has no fuel" or Russia ran out of missiles in March of 22! Your game is slipping.

110 posted on 01/30/2023 12:22:08 PM PST by wildcard_redneck (Germans are bat-crap crazy for cold showers, high energy bills, and boiled turnips.)
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To: Williams; PGR88

“...... DC neocon psychopathy, destruction, war-mongering masturbation, their woke WEF Globalism, and their asinine propaganda.”

Just a reminder call for your side of the fence to stay close together. Make sure you don’t stray too far from their playpen.

Thanks to PGR88 for this wonderful call of reality.


111 posted on 01/30/2023 12:22:52 PM PST by MarMema (Orange Putin Bad)
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To: wildcard_redneck

We just began a bill to allow military in Mexico. To fight drug cartels of course.
Until something else comes up.


112 posted on 01/30/2023 12:25:12 PM PST by MarMema (Orange Putin Bad)
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To: Williams

‘NATO could wipe out the Russian army in Ukraine’

That is why the Belgorod is sitting off the east coast.

Are you an American?


113 posted on 01/30/2023 12:28:13 PM PST by MarMema (Orange Putin Bad)
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To: ansel12; wildcard_redneck

Was it hard for you? I had no difficulties, nor did I read it as emotional.
I think that is just your only response as usual. Skip the topic, attack the source.


114 posted on 01/30/2023 12:30:00 PM PST by MarMema (Orange Putin Bad)
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To: MarMema

You make such strange comments, read my post again.


115 posted on 01/30/2023 12:33:51 PM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: wildcard_redneck
Zelensky is popular in the sense that he has censored all opposition and criminalized it.

There are more than 300 parties in Ukraine, Zelensky banned 11 pro-Russian parties.

Seized church property

The property STILL belongs to the church, just not the Moscow Patriarch but the Kyiv Patriarch.

rounding up and shooting anyone that does not support

The rounding up of anti-war protesters occurs in Russia.

116 posted on 01/30/2023 12:37:37 PM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: tlozo
Me: Zelensky is popular in the sense that he has censored all opposition and criminalized it.

tlozo: There are more than 300 parties in Ukraine, Zelensky banned 11 pro-Russian parties.

Me: so he banned only the political parties that did not agree with his policies. How enlightened.


Me: Seized church property

tlozo: The property STILL belongs to the church, just not the Moscow Patriarch but the Kyiv Patriarch.

Me: So Zelensky stole it and gave it to a different church politically aligned with himself. Such a Robin Hood.


Me: rounding up and shooting anyone that does not support
tlozo: The rounding up of anti-war protesters occurs in Russia.
Me: Did you conveniently forget the Ukrainian death squads that roamed recaptured territory shooting “collaborators” and driving out ethnic Russians?

You are living a lie dude.

117 posted on 01/30/2023 2:44:19 PM PST by wildcard_redneck (Germans are bat-crap crazy for cold showers, high energy bills, and boiled turnips.)
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To: tlozo

Now that President Trump has come out calling for a negotiated settlement to the Ukraine War your hopes for a disastrous March on Moscow has now become much less likely.


118 posted on 01/30/2023 4:56:09 PM PST by wildcard_redneck (Germans are bat-crap crazy for cold showers, high energy bills, and boiled turnips.)
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To: MarMema
"We just began a bill to allow military in Mexico. To fight drug cartels of course.
Until something else comes up.

Planning your wars ahead of time drives up profit potential.

119 posted on 01/30/2023 4:59:54 PM PST by wildcard_redneck (Germans are bat-crap crazy for cold showers, high energy bills, and boiled turnips.)
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To: wildcard_redneck

“The country was toppled by American and Eurotrash intelligence angencies and it s being used as a suicide soldier by the EU, the WEF, and the Biden Regime.”

Perfect.


120 posted on 01/30/2023 7:55:00 PM PST by MarMema (Orange Putin Bad)
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