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U.S. Warms to Helping Ukraine Target Crimea
The New York Times ^ | January 18, 2023 | Helene Cooper, Eric Schmitt and Julian E. Barnes

Posted on 01/19/2023 7:31:31 AM PST by Timber Rattler

For years, the United States has insisted that Crimea is still part of Ukraine. Yet the Biden administration has held to a hard line since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, refusing to provide Kyiv with the weapons it needs to target the Crimean Peninsula, which Russia has been using as a base for launching devastating strikes.

Now that line is starting to soften.

After months of discussions with Ukrainian officials, the Biden administration is finally starting to concede that Kyiv may need the power to strike the Russian sanctuary, even if such a move increases the risk of escalation, according to several U.S. officials who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive debate. Crimea, between the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov, is home to tens of thousands of dug-in Russian troops and numerous Russian military bases.

White House officials insist there is no change in position. Crimea, they say, belongs to Ukraine.

“We have said throughout the war that Crimea is Ukraine, and Ukraine has the right to defend themselves and their sovereign territory in their internationally recognized borders,” said Adrienne Watson, a spokeswoman for the National Security Council.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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To: Petrosius

Another child steps out with childish slurs


21 posted on 01/19/2023 8:10:04 AM PST by PGR88
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To: escapefromboston
What do the people in Crimea want ?

I'll assume this is a rhetorical question. The people of Crimea have hated being a part of Ukraine since 1991. Crimea and Donbass were the two most pro-Russian regions of Ukraine.

22 posted on 01/19/2023 8:14:14 AM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: PGR88

that’s crap, I’m not cheering for any killing

but you come on here, *claiming* to dislike “warmongers” and “killing Ukrainians” ... yet you cheer on Russia

this whole thing could end tomorrow, all Putin has to do is go back to Russia’s ALREADY-ENORMOUS land mass ... but HE keeps attacking, and you say nothing


23 posted on 01/19/2023 8:15:56 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: canuck_conservative
In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled U.S. Warms to Helping Ukraine Target Crimea, canuck_conservative wrote:
They’re determined to create WWIII

oh grow up and stop your childish fearmongering

Ukraine is merely fighting back against invading monsters

there won't be any WWIII

They are openly provoking Putin with the intention of starting WWIII. It's not fearmongering to say so. Maybe the dispatches you receive detailing what you are to claim fail to mention it, but the international community heard what Putin said about the Crimea, and he has been saying it for many years now.

Ukraine’s Crimea conundrum

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/3718135-ukraines-crimea-conundrum/ by William Courtney and Peter A. Wilson, Opinion Contributors - 11/03/22 4:30 PM ET Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has said an attack on Crimea would bring “Judgment Day.” SNIP Should Ukraine consider input from the West? Putin’s boasts about Russia’s nuclear forces have caused concern. On Oct. 7, President Biden warned that for the first time since the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis, there was a “direct threat” of the use of a nuclear weapon. In mid-October, senior Russian military leaders reportedly discussed possible use of nuclear weapons in Ukraine. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

No Nukes in Crimea: Not What the Kremlin Wants, but They Might Not Have a Choice

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/6559

As Ukrainian troops advance southwards to Crimea, Putin may soon face stark choice of upping the ante against West or backing down on keeping the peninsula.


24 posted on 01/19/2023 8:19:54 AM PST by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: DownInFlames
Are you totally brain dead? What the hell do the think the Russians would do if that happened? They could and should turn what's left of Ukraine into rumble.

Idiots like you have us closer to hot war, nuclear war and WWIII than we ever were during the Cold War.

25 posted on 01/19/2023 8:29:41 AM PST by Kazan
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To: Timber Rattler
The people of Crimea, you low IQ baboon, don't want to go back to being part of Ukraine. They never did want to be part of it after the fall of the Soviet Union. Attacking Crimea is no different than the Palestinians attacking Israel and claiming it shouldn't exist.

You are sick motherfreeper.

If not for tremendous Russian restraint, Ukraine would already be a parking lot and we'd involved in WWIII.

26 posted on 01/19/2023 8:32:11 AM PST by Kazan
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To: Timber Rattler

Absolutely. That bridge feeds Crimea and could so easily be taken out. Then the Harpoon anti ship missiles could finish off whatever ships are still there. Then the whole area falls into Ukraine’s lap.


27 posted on 01/19/2023 8:37:18 AM PST by Midwesterner53
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To: Boogieman

We American don’t want WW3 for a failed, corrupt state. You are okay with it, we get it.


28 posted on 01/19/2023 8:46:59 AM PST by Trumpisourlastchance
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To: Kazan

What you said.


29 posted on 01/19/2023 8:47:33 AM PST by Trumpisourlastchance
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To: MeganC; shadowlands1960
If that is crazy talk to you then you might be on the wrong forum. Or maybe I am.

I’m thinking that yes, you are probably on the wrong site. You seem to espouse a lot of leftist views and I’ve seen you do leftist things such as making veiled threats, invoking the FBI, to longtime FReepers because they expressed opinions that differed from yours.

30 posted on 01/19/2023 8:49:17 AM PST by Allegra
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To: PGR88

What distinguishes today’s Russian aggression from that of the USSR?


31 posted on 01/19/2023 8:50:37 AM PST by Does so (What distinguishes today's Russian aggression from that of the USSR?)
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To: canuck_conservative

—> there won’t be any WWIII

Why would anyone listen to your opinion, since you live under a Marxist government and never criticize it…?

Can you point to an opinion you’ve posted that was correct? Ever?


32 posted on 01/19/2023 8:54:02 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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To: Boogieman

—> If this turns into WWIII, it will be Putin that creates it, not us.

The west continues to escalate this conflict.


33 posted on 01/19/2023 8:54:44 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“The west continues to escalate this conflict.”

Which Putin was well aware would happen if he chose to invade. It’s spelled out right there in the Minsk agreements. He made his choice.


34 posted on 01/19/2023 8:58:18 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

now Putin is gonna do another mobilization

so Russia is the one who keeps escalating


35 posted on 01/19/2023 9:01:28 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: Navy Patriot
U.S. Warms to Another Vietnam and Afghanistan Model Experience.

I doubt it, Russia will go nuclear before it gives up Crimea. Just like the US would go nuclear before it gave up Texas or Cali. Crimea has been Russia since the time of Catharine the Great. No way Russia gives it up without going "all in" first.

36 posted on 01/19/2023 9:04:33 AM PST by jpsb
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To: Does so
What distinguishes today’s Russian aggression from that of the USSR?

The question is: what distinguishes the US neocon deep state from the USSR?

Let's see....

Promotes globalist, atheist, post-modern ideology

Is anti-Christian

large parts of economy run by the state from washington DC

controls media to suppress dissent

conducts color revolution in small countries around the globe

permanent, life-long party apparatchiks run the place

insiders and cronies get rich

37 posted on 01/19/2023 9:07:20 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Trumpisourlastchance

No, I’d prefer that Putin did not start WWIII.


38 posted on 01/19/2023 9:07:41 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Drivel


39 posted on 01/19/2023 9:08:13 AM PST by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality daythis piece is )
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To: Right_Wing_Madman
The people of Crimea have hated being a part of Ukraine since 1991.

Which is why, I guess, that in 1991 Crimea and Sevastopol voted 54% and 57% respectfully for independence from Russia.

40 posted on 01/19/2023 9:14:19 AM PST by Petrosius
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