Posted on 12/25/2022 5:01:39 PM PST by marcusmaximus
Why?
And: So what? Does the unilateral declaration of a "sphere of interest" automatically bestow any kind of moral justification for subsequent military action?
Does every ethnicity, historical people, erstwhile dominion, petty dictatorship, or self-proclaimed Volk have the right to launch attacks on its neighbors, invade its neighbors' territory, conquer and annex their land, rocket-bomb their cities, set up "protectorates," etc.?
If, say, Poland were to claim that the Kaliningrad oblast' were in Poland's "sphere of interest" - does Poland then automatically have the right to attack Kaliningrad?
Who gets to define the given "sphere of interest?" Could Russia point to "history" and thus claim that Finland were in Russia's "sphere of influence" and that Russia should therefore be given a seat at the table of Finland's NATO accession talks?
Regards,
Or maybe you're referring to the nuke detonated by the Taliban right after 9/11?
Or the dirty bomb that ISIS set off?
Maybe you're referring to the nuclear warhead NK set off in Seoul?
This is Fauci talk - work everyone up into a lather to surrender vast amounts of freedom to obtain the fantasy of safety.
Maybe some day a nut will detonate a nuke. When that happens all sorts analysis and Monday Morning quarterbacking will come forth. Each side will claim "see? If only we'd (insert some package of liberty surrendered) this wouldn't have happened." We see it today with gun controllers, after some shooting. It's the second oldest profession.
Of course an America First policy and avoiding unnecessary entanglements is always prudent. Ultimately, nuts are gonna nut. Just like viruses are gonna virus.
The big diff here, is it's alleged conservatives who are the serpent.
File this one under>>> Russian sheeeet goes KABOOM! Mysteriously!
The ground is now freezing solid allowing the Ukrainian troops to begin planning major attacks. It will soon start up again.
Many of these mysterious explosions going on all over RuSSia (including the far east 3,000 miles from Ukraine) are due to RuSSian general disrepair, technological backwardness, and also a failure to maintain facilities due to sanctions. It is a fact that much of RuSSia’s industrial, gas, oil, and military facilities are OLD. Much of it has not been improved since the 1960’s-era technology. And since RuSSia is a nation that cannot make even make ball bearings that hold up, everything is falling apart and causes catastrophic failures.
And those of us who disagree understand that it is in our national interest to attempt to check Russia and China’s aggressive expansionism. Allowing those two despotic country’s to continue to gobble up ever more of the world would create a hideous situation in the future.
Do these “non-interventionists” support allowing China to take Taiwan, take over Africa (with all the resources it possesses), confiscate half the Pacific Ocean, and attempt to take parts of India and Russia itself?
Do these people want Russia to take half of Europe again (they’ve already said Belarus, Ukraine, Poland, Moldova, and the Baltics are illegitimate).
But Russia is NOT sitting idly at all. Russia is waging a full-scale war against Ukraine. Are you saying that Ukraine isn’t supposed to strike back at Russia?
You’re either naïve or a puppet if you think that was the Ukraine. It was either the Brit SAS or the US.
I see pro-Americans, who question our involvment there, for mutiple valid reason, get attacked on FR by pro-war people all te time. The "Slava Unkriani" contingent on FR don't hold the moral high ground here, either.
Many have fought the good fight. They're not just posting on FR: they get involved locally, do really good local investigations, and have participated in rallies. I mean, we all do our thing in the defense of America, but some folks have done more. Our hat is off to them.
But I've seen the defeat in their posts, in their syntax, and some have flat-out cried out that they're done. And it get it. They fought the good fight, but we can't seem to get out of our own way...yes the left cheats, but we've racked up a massive tally of unforced errors. And many FReepers don't even vote anymore. It's all very disheartening, and completely understandable.
However, it is one thing to quietly quit...it's another thing to jump into the volcano. And its something completely different to join the Enemy.
I see LOTS of economic doomsters threads, saying the Big One is right around the corner.
The sad thing is, many of these "we're all gonna die" sites are flat out wrong with their facts, or data. A little due diligence goes a long way.
But the volcano-jumpers are lapping it up. It's stunning. And if you point out the error, somehow you're a puppet of the WEF et al.
Which brings us to the Russia-Ukraine nonsense. These FReepers who observe western civ crashing around them, see Putin - who, to be fair, serves up red meat to the rabid fans like few others...he's a master showman. They yearn for a leader who gets things done...who TAKES A STAND. They wind up joining the Enemy (as you note, Putin and Xi et al would repeal the Constitution asap), but of course they see it as simply staying the course....it is "everyone else" who has joined the modernists.
To this lot that's joined the Enemy, if you believe Ukraine was attacked and isn't the Bad Guy but, at the same time, you object to sending money or ordnance or treasure to the govt of the Ukraine, you're a Deep Stater and Hunter Biden fan and in favor of transitioning five-year olds.
This is WTF level of mindset. It's a mad, mad, mad world. We need some Divine Intervention.
Russia can hardly be accused of sitting idly by when Engles is being attacked. The 2 attacks on Engles are specifically in response to the escallation of Russian attacks on Ukraine civilian targets and people. As such they are a proportionate response, and a move to nuclear response would be stupid and self-destructive in the extreme.
Unfortunately, under Biden/Moochelle/ValJar, possibly, yes!
OK, now that was funny.
As rhetoric, not for the fact it represents.
I believe in spheres of interest.
Hey, why give Poland the green light to take over Kaliningrad. My maternal parents came to America from there in the 1880/90s. At that time it was known as East Prussia, so by all means let’s give it back to Germany. This historical RIGHTS foolishness needs to stop. Ukraine was determined to be a separate country with due consideration of international law and signatories of multiple involved countries. Bottom line—RUSSIA GO HOME!!
Interesting historical facts. My grandfather was a marine engineer and officer in the Prussian navy. He came to America because he did not like the direction he saw Bismark taking his former country. During WW1, he was heavily involved in converting one of our major trans-Atlantic ocean liners into a troop carrier for our soldiers. This family history is part of why I am taking serious interest in supporting Ukraine’s struggle to survive.
It’s good to read some intelligent analysis, thank you.
Especially your ending because probably all of us here know a more moral and spiritual nation would make the best decisions.
As someone who looks at Ukraine and Russia as being two sides of the same corrupt to the core AF coin, that statement is laughable. Both sides are doing it.
Personally, I'm sick and fucking tired of it. I'm sick and tired of paying through the roof for everything including heat, food, fuel, clothes, all the basic necessities of life because the ASSHOLE sitting in the White House is using the corruption in Ukraine -- that he himself and his crime family have been leveraging for years -- to conceal HIS corrpution and HIS FAMILIES CRIMES.
That this "war" even exists at all is entirely Joe Biden's fault and those of you arguing on both sides of it are enabling his corrupt bullshit to the detriment of our country.
Enough.
America First or GTFO.
God has a way of giving us just enough rope to burn our necks. But the spinal cord is never severed by his Grace and Love. We don't spdeserve it, but I'll take it.
I pray that we will again escape the gallows' end. We may have scars and maybe loss of a pinky. But countless times in my life, I've seen America cheat statism/death.
1979 was a dark year, and then Reagan came along and the Wall fell. We survived 8 years of the Clintons. 9/11 came and we didn't see dirty bombs go off in Manhattan. Obama turned the clock back on race relations to 1963 but I've observed, personally, improvement recently. Mr Adams said famously (well...famous to me at least) that he went to bed election night 2016 like he had terminal cancer, only to awaken to a state of full remission. Escaping Hillary was a Miracle. Yes, we lost the WH in 2020 but Roe was repealed in 2022.
Maybe some day, The Holy Trinity will mark harder than ever on that rope. And we will deserve it. But something tells me, there are enough people who yearn to live in freedom and liberty, whereby we aren't at the point of severing. "If I find fifty righteous ones within the city of Sodom, on their account I will spare the whole place.”
Merry Christmas FRiend.
> It’s Christmas Day…[ birth of Jesus]…and all you think about is war.
Get real, it’s a traditional war-making day for Americans! Beware the Revolution!
But those of us who support noninterference in the internal affairs of Russia and Ukraine.
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Russia today is approximately the size of Texas in terms of it’s total economy (referred to as GNP for nations). RUSSIA INVADED THE UKRAINE. What part of that you Russia/Putin supporting freepers don’t get is beyond me.
I’m with you on not sending any troops over there. And, I think we need to send less money because we are broke. But, it is indisputably in our national interest when Russia attacks a nation friendly to us.
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